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julie 03-23-2010 08:31 PM

Amen, well said Makedonche

Mastika 03-23-2010 08:38 PM

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;43689]So Gruevski has accepted a name change?[/QUOTE]

No he has not.

makedonche 03-23-2010 08:41 PM

[QUOTE=Mastika;43890]No he has not.[/QUOTE]

Has he rejected a name change proposal?
Has he rejected negotiations on a name change?
Has he stopped negotiating?
Has he drawn a line in the sand and said we will not cross this?

Mastika 03-23-2010 09:11 PM

response to makedonce
 
[QUOTE=makedonche;43892]Has he rejected a name change proposal?
Has he rejected negotiations on a name change?
Has he stopped negotiating?
Has he drawn a line in the sand and said we will not cross this?[/QUOTE]

The question was has he accepted a name change, of course he hasn't.

As for the rest of the questions he has really only done number 4.

Do I think that we should stop the negotiations? No, becuase I believe that that will only work against our cause. If ANY government accepts a name change it will likely cause a civil war. Why do you think we should not stop (which will probably be your next question)? Well, if we do stop then it will appear as if we are unreasonable and work against popular opinion regarding the issue. Eventually Greek efforts will all go to vain. As a country we already have 2/3 of the world behind us, which probably would not have happened had Macedonia not agreed to the negotiations. Has nobody here actually noticed?, the Macedonian government isnt interested in negotiating the identity and name. All they are interested in is appeasing Greece until we have gained enough diplomatic strength to win this fight. Everyone here speaks of these traitors and how bad all of these groups are for advocating the negotiations, but what people are forgetting is that the Macedonian government is trying to beat the Greeks at their own game. So far, they have generally done very good. People are way to quick of speaking about how this person is a traitor, predavnik etc. These words are used WAY WAY WAY to liberally. They should be reserved for people such as Ljubčo Georgievski who are ACTUALLY sell-outs, not just anyone who happens to disagree with your opionion. We will eventually prevail, this requires us to be diplomatic.

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;43795]
Do you know with absolute certainty that Gruevski would not capitulate on the name?[/QUOTE]

I know it wasn't directed at me, but this question has no answer.

Prolet 03-23-2010 09:32 PM

[QUOTE]Gruevski’s exact position on the name issue is unclear – he speaks of a ‘red line’ that we all supposedly know, yet he’s never made any public statement as to what that ‘red line’ actually is.[/QUOTE]

Why should he? The media reports everything, why should Grujo tell what goes on behind closed doors? He is keeping his cards close to his chest as anybody would if they were in his position. The Greeks did exactly the same thing, the only reason why we found out the Greek position is because Grujo told everyone, as he should have. Why didnt Crvenkovski do that while he was negotiating?

Vangelovski 03-23-2010 09:38 PM

[quote=Prolet;43912]Why should he? The media reports everything, why should Grujo tell what goes on behind closed doors? He is keeping his cards close to his chest as anybody would if they were in his position. The Greeks did exactly the same thing, the only reason why we found out the Greek position is because Grujo told everyone, as he should have. Why didnt Crvenkovski do that while he was negotiating?[/quote]

Prolet, I'm begining to understand why you support UMD.

Prolet 03-23-2010 09:44 PM

Vangelovski, So you think that Grujo should just come out and tell everybody what is being discussed?? Why on earth would he do that?? That would be the biggest mistake, the UMD should be putting pressure on the Government not to change our name.

Soldier of Macedon 03-23-2010 09:54 PM

Who cares what the UMD are doing, you and the handful here would support them anyway, correct? That being the case, why even bother.

makedonche 03-23-2010 09:54 PM

[QUOTE=Prolet;43919]Vangelovski, So you think that Grujo should just come out and tell everybody what is being discussed?? Why on earth would he do that?? That would be the biggest mistake, the UMD should be putting pressure on the Government not to change our name.[/QUOTE]

Prolet
Sorry to jump in here- can I just ask if you are a member of UMD?
I can tell you that I am a financial member!

Risto the Great 03-23-2010 09:57 PM

Prolet, I genuinely would be surprised if the UMD has more than 50 members in Australia. The internet has been a wonderful tool for them. I have no idea why you think the UMD has influenced anyone or anything Prolet.

[QUOTE=Prolet]the UMD should be putting pressure on the Government not to change our name.[/QUOTE]Instead of suggesting Democratic Republic of Macedonia you mean?


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