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Truth Bearer 09-07-2008 07:50 PM

According to yr theories since the Greek language dissapeared and only a few elite spoke it how come I speak it and you don't?Yes you may as you must be from Florina region but why hasn't the language survived in the north central Balkans?

osiris 09-07-2008 07:53 PM

truth bearer many macedoniasn speak greek but apart from the ones in egei in the past 50 years , none of them learned it as their native language learned form the mothers as you put it, they learned it because they were forced too. now stop this nonsense.

Truth Bearer 09-07-2008 07:57 PM

Really?/Ok lets see how many from the Republic speak Greek??Why don't we find out and I bet you noone ever did unless yr referring to the Vlachs that stayed behind after the Balkan Wars........

osiris 09-07-2008 08:05 PM

believe what you want.

Struja 09-07-2008 08:14 PM

[QUOTE=Truth Bearer;1320]Really?/Ok lets see how many from the Republic speak Greek??Why don't we find out and I bet you noone ever did unless yr referring to the Vlachs that stayed behind after the Balkan Wars........[/QUOTE] tell me TB, how many greeks were there in the republic after the balkan wars? with facts and links please.

El Bre 09-07-2008 08:22 PM

[QUOTE=Truth Bearer;1315]According to yr theories since the Greek language dissapeared and only a few elite spoke it how come I speak it and you don't?Yes you may as you must be from Florina region but why hasn't the language survived in the north central Balkans?[/QUOTE]

In a way you answered your own question. The revival had a starting point and subsequently radiated outward incorporating various other non Greek peoples in it's wake. It's influence fizzled the further it was from it's epicentre.

Soldier of Macedon 09-24-2008 04:40 AM

How will the 'name game' end?
 
At the moment it is difficult to determine how things will go, the circumstances seem to be changing daily, support in the Balkans is with Macedonia although recently Albania has bent over for their Greek masters. The U.S, Russia and China recognize us, this holds value in itself, but with recent pro-Greek reports and Obama's apparent stance against Macedonians (or for Greeks) things can also change there where it concerns the Americans, although all is speculation at the moment.

Now Crvenkovski is apparently leading the talks from Macedonia's end, a known sellout and fool reputed for his bad decision making in the past, and one who has already made it clear that he is for a name change.

Will the Macedonian government submit and change the constitutional name? I don't believe they will. Many say that we should pull out of the negotiations altogether, and I tend to agree in many respects, but what are the consequences of this, will Macedonia then lose the battle by default and allow Greece to have a free reign of influence in the international arena? Politics is never that easy, it is a difficult game we are in.

We have held our own for a while now, and haven't faltered, albeit damage has been done already by past governments. My opinion is with most Macedonians, no name change, no more concessions, if anything, let's take some back. However, hypothetically speaking, if something must be done and we are left with no option, then what could it be? A name for bi-lateral use with Greece such as Upper Macedonia? Will we accept this? Are we going to seek anything in return, like the recognition of our people and language in both Macedonia and Greece by the native Macedonian name?

What actual benefits do we have by joining the EU and NATO? Whatever they are, nothing is worth our name and identity, nothing.

I guess what I am seeking here is the opinion of others on how all of this will end according to them. I would be interested in any thoughts.

makedonin 09-24-2008 05:04 AM

I will speak for my self. I would agree on Upper Macedonia if there is still reference on Macedonian Language and Culture i.e. our language will stay Macedonian as well as the Culture. This is mandatory for me.

It will be so, that the Prefix Upper will certainly fall out with time as many have forgoten about F.Y.R. prefix standing before Macedonia.

It will open the gates for Entry in Institutions and will be easier for those who live in Macedonia.

But I don't see it happens.

Rogi 09-24-2008 05:25 AM

Allow me to stress this...

If we really care about the Rights of the Macedonians in Aegean Macedonia, then we need to put some serious importance on the name that Greece will recognise us with.

Forget the International name, that cannot change whatsoever under any circumstance, I am talking about the 'double formula' potential solution and the name will will accept for Greece to use for us - it's very important if we in future want the Macedonians in Aegean Macedonia to associate with the Republic of Macedonia - as the same people.

Rogi 09-24-2008 05:30 AM

Has anyone looked at the United Nations position on the name for Myanmar / Burma?

"The United Nations accepts the name Myanmar, [U]since the UN allows its members states to be known by any name they choose[/U]."

Furthermore, "...it has not been recognized by many Western governments such as the United States, [U]Australia[/U], Canada or the United Kingdom, which continue to use "Burma".

This means Australia, who has not yet recognised Macedonia's Constitutional name has clear double-standards, as in one case it goes against the United Nations, whereas in the case of Macedonia it claims it is following the United Nations.


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