Macedonian Truth Forum

Macedonian Truth Forum (http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/index.php)
-   Exposing Lies and Propaganda (http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6)
-   -   The Real Ethnic Composition of Modern Greece (http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=17)

vicsinad 12-01-2016 06:28 AM

[QUOTE=Amphipolis;166178]More info:

By 1300s Islamized Slavophones of Illyria call the city Chlerina or Flourida (exact source is not given)

Castle of Florina is mentioned in 1300s in a “Code of Paris” (exact source is not given)

I often find the following phrase “Kantakouzenos writes it as Chlerinon or Flerinon”. Actually as we saw it is only Chlerinon and since the name is only mentioned once in genitive case (Chlerinou) I don’t know if it is masculine (Chlerinos) or neuter (Chlerinon). Chlerina and Florina are feminine names.

The Turkish sources are about 35-40 different decrees (firmans) of local rulers calling the city Florina (or rarely Filorina) and writing the name in Greek or Arab (Old-Turkish) script. These documents have been gathered and published by IMHA (Institute for Balkan Studies).



Yes, both (1) and (2) are correct.[/QUOTE]

I think you've confused yourself.

tchaiku 12-07-2016 01:30 PM

Arnaut (ارناود), Arvanid (اروانيد), Arnavud (آرناوود), plural: Arnavudlar (آرناوودلار): modern Turkish: Arnavut, plural: Arnavutlar; are ethnoyms used mainly by Ottoman and contemporary Turks for Albanians with Arnavudca (آرناءودجه) and Arnavutça being terms for the Albanian language.[34][35][36][37][B] These ethnonyms are derived from the Greek Arvanites[/B] and entered Turkish after the syllable cluster van was rearranged through metathesis to nav giving the final Turkish forms as Arnavut and Arnaut.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_Albanians_and_Albania#Arnaut.2FArnavut[/url]

tchaiku 12-07-2016 01:33 PM

Arbanas (Арбанас), plural: Arbanasi (Арбанаси); old term used by Balkan Slavic peoples such as the Bulgarians and Serbians to refer to Albanians.[4] While Arbanaski (Арбанаски), Arbanski (Арбански) and Arbanaški (Арбанашки) were adjectives derived from those terms.[26] The term Arbănas was also used by Romanians for Albanians.[4] The name Arbanasi is still used as an exonym for a small Albanian community in Croatia on the Dalmatian coast that migrated there during the 18th century.[27]

tchaiku 12-08-2016 10:50 AM

[QUOTE=Daskalot;123454]All artificially constructed in the last ~200 years. Your modern Greek language has gone thru so many revisions that it was not finalized until the 1970s.
Speaking of language why is it mandatory for Greek students to study Ancient Greek?
You share the same location due to the influx of immigration to the Greek kingdom since its establishment in the 19th century and continues till this day.
And the culture has been handed to you by the Hellenizing force of the Greek Orthodox Church and your educational system.

Quite simple really.[/QUOTE]
I want to know more.

Amphipolis 12-10-2016 03:48 PM

[QUOTE=Bill77;123392]One last question.

Am i seeing things? or are Modern Greeks slowly starting to change back to their African roots?

Have a look at Dimitris Chondrokoukis who will be representing Greece in the High Jump.

[IMG]http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac131/billbarbarian/images-5.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac131/billbarbarian/images1-1.jpg[/IMG]

Voltron......Do you see any resemblance to Alexander the Great?
or are you going to answer yes just so "you can say what you say"[/QUOTE]

Hmm... yes, I've always wondered about him, but it seems no one else does, so there's no information. His father was also a famous athlete and a sports manager (this is a picture of him). So, maybe his mother is black, but I can’t find anything.

[IMG]http://content-mcdn.sentragoal.gr/filesystem/images/20111204/low/pegasus_LARGE_t_1041_105583861.JPG[/IMG]

We also have another famous athlete who looked mongrel, called Douvalidis. In his case the reason was that his father was American.

[IMG]http://sportsfeed.gr/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/580401_10206136022306990_3281266419627986661_n-e1458319943640.jpg[/IMG]

==

Soldier of Macedon 12-12-2016 09:59 PM

[QUOTE="Amphipolis"]For most cities of Macedonia, the Turks had a slight Turkish version of the Greek or [U]Slavic[/U] name[/QUOTE]
Finland has several toponyms that have both Finnish names and Swedish names - people wouldn't normally refer to these toponyms as having Finno-Ugric names and Swedish names, or Finnish names and Germanic names. Therefore, you have no need to be a chauvinistic moron when making such comparisons. The so-called Slavic place names in Macedonia are Macedonian. Refer to them as such.

As for Lerin, whatever it may have originally meant, it is clear that the Macedonian variant of the name is closer to that which is first cited in historical record. The Greek and Albanian names for the town are later viarants, perhaps from a Vlach intermediary. In Romanian it is also Florina.
[QUOTE="tchaiku"]I want to know more.[/QUOTE]
About what specifically?

tchaiku 12-14-2016 11:17 AM

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;166217]

About what specifically?[/QUOTE]

About the (modern) Greek language and it's evolution? The post I qouted barely says it all.

I mean the Greek language is one of the best and most commonly used arguments against neo-hellenism? I hope you know what I am talking about.

Amphipolis 12-16-2016 08:28 AM

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;166217] The so-called Slavic place names in Macedonia are Macedonian. Refer to them as such.[/QUOTE]

The so-called Slavic place names of Peloponnese are Peloponnesian. Refer to them as such.

No, don’t. I was kidding.

Soldier of Macedon 12-17-2016 09:31 PM

[QUOTE=Amphipolis;166235]The so-called Slavic place names of Peloponnese are Peloponnesian. Refer to them as such.

No, don’t. I was kidding.[/QUOTE]
The term 'Peloponnesian' is limited to geography only, it has no linguistic or ethno-national value in the way that Macedonian, Swede or Finn have. But you already know this, which is why your statement above is an intellectually dishonest and stupid comparison made for the sole purpose of trivialising the identity of Macedonians. Take a hike you moron. And no, I am not kidding.

Karposh 12-21-2016 08:21 AM

SoM, I just noticed you pulled the pin on Amphipolis. Just out of curiosity, what was it in the end that finally made you lose your patience with her? I kind of got used to having her around. I think I'm even gonna miss her.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:44 PM.

Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Macedonian Truth Organisation