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Areianos 09-06-2008 01:45 AM

I am Macedonian..just like an Athenian from Athens.

Risto the Great 09-06-2008 01:53 AM

Oh, OK a geographic Macedonian.
No worries.

I am a real one. I am from Australia.

Areianos 09-06-2008 01:55 AM

Geographic, if you like no problem - culturally & linguistically MAKEDONAS.

Heritage - MACEDONIAN.

Ethnicity - GREEK

Petros Houhoulis 09-06-2008 01:56 AM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;773]Oh, OK a geographic Macedonian.
No worries.

I am a real one. I am from Australia.[/QUOTE]

Argh, those Geographic Macedonians! Who were they?

[url]http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_Macedonian_Matters#Can_Macedonia_turn_itself_into_a_separate_ethnographical_and_political_unit.3F_Has_it_already_done_so.3F_Is_it_doing_so_now.3F[/url]

Also from Maedonika wordpress (for those who don't like wikipedia or wikisource)

[url]http://makedonika.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/krste-misirkov-on-macedonian-matters-can-macedonia-turn-itself-into-a-separate-ethnographical-and-political-unit-1903/[/url]

"...These various names did not properly catch on, and gradually they began to give way until finally they were replaced by the natural description [COLOR="Red"]Slav" with a "Macedonian" reflection from the geographical area in which they were distributed[/COLOR]. The people who spoke these dialects had once been called "Slavs" and later either "Serbs" or "Bulgarians" until the rivalry between these two names made them both alien to the Macedonian Slavs, who started calling themselves after the old geographical name of their country. The name Macedonian [COLOR="red"]was first used by the Macedonian Slavs as a geographical term to indicate their origin[/COLOR]...."

Daskalot 09-06-2008 02:03 AM

[QUOTE=Areianos;777]Geographic, if you like no problem - culturally & linguistically MAKEDONAS.

Heritage - MACEDONIAN.

Ethnicity - GREEK[/QUOTE]

Interesting, how does your language differ from lets say Greeks from Thessaly?

Daskalot 09-06-2008 02:06 AM

[QUOTE=Petros Houhoulis;779]Argh, those Geographic Macedonians! Who were they?

[url]http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_Macedonian_Matters#Can_Macedonia_turn_itself_into_a_separate_ethnographical_and_political_unit.3F_Has_it_already_done_so.3F_Is_it_doing_so_now.3F[/url]

"...These various names did not properly catch on, and gradually they began to give way until finally they were replaced by the natural description [COLOR="Red"]Slav" with a "Macedonian" reflection from the geographical area in which they were distributed[/COLOR]. The people who spoke these dialects had once been called "Slavs" and later either "Serbs" or "Bulgarians" until the rivalry between these two names made them both alien to the Macedonian Slavs, who started calling themselves after the old geographical name of their country. The name Macedonian [COLOR="red"]was first used by the Macedonian Slavs as a geographical term to indicate their origin[/COLOR]...."[/QUOTE]

Petros, we cannnot usurp the Slav label for ourselves, the rest of the Slav world would mind, what are they then if we are the Slavs by ethnicity......

Petros Houhoulis 09-06-2008 02:08 AM

[QUOTE=Daskalot;786]Petros, we cannnot usurp the Slav label for ourselves, the rest of the Slav world would mind, what are they then if we are the Slavs by ethnicity......[/QUOTE]

Yes, that is why Misirkov used Slav Macedonians, not just Slavs, and then he shortened that to Macedonians.

The Greek ethnographic maps of that time also refer to Slav Macedonians.

Risto the Great 09-06-2008 02:08 AM

[QUOTE=Areianos;777]Geographic, if you like no problem - culturally & linguistically MAKEDONAS.

Heritage - MACEDONIAN.

Ethnicity - GREEK[/QUOTE]
Hey, maybe we are onto something.
For me, [B]my heritage AND ethnicity is MACEDONIAN.[/B]
Well done, you have shed some new light.
Now your Greek friends will kill you.
Clearly we disagree about your heritage. What makes you feel you have a Macedonian heritage?

Please define how long MAKEDONAS has been around for. I know I know, you will say 4000 years or something. But we all know that is rubbish. And that the Makedonas dialect of Greek is th purest form of Greek ... you know, learning a new language from a book is always helpful.

Daskalot 09-06-2008 02:10 AM

[QUOTE=Petros Houhoulis;789]Yes, that is why Misirkov used Slav Macedonians, not just Slavs, and then he shortened that to Macedonians.

The Greek ethnographic maps of that time also refer to Slav Macedonians.[/QUOTE]

Because that was what we were then and what we are today, Macedonians.

toothpaste 09-06-2008 02:11 AM

What about Greeks of Macedonia prior to 1912 ?
Did they come from Mars?


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