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tchaiku 06-12-2017 05:56 AM

In the 9th century Byzantine military and ecclesiastical authority was gradually re-established in the Peloponnese and by the 10th century most of the Slavs had already been hellenized.

tchaiku 06-21-2017 07:20 AM

Carlin, beside Slavic invasion do you have any strong evidence for the massive extermination of ancient Hellenes?

Carlin 06-21-2017 06:55 PM

[QUOTE=tchaiku;169718]Carlin, beside Slavic invasion do you have any strong evidence for the massive extermination of ancient Hellenes?[/QUOTE]

[B][U]Read pages 60 to 65[/U] --> Section VII, DEPOPULATION OF GREECE CAUSED BY THE ROMAN GOVERNMENT[/B]

[I]Greece Under the Romans: A Historical View of the Condition of the ..., Part 717 - By George Finlay[/I]

URL:
[url]https://books.google.ca/books?id=Mhi-emIhrSYC&pg=PA60&dq=Depopulation+of+Greece+caused+by+the+Roman+government&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwidzJfNj9DUAhUm0IMKHYdwDWUQ6AEIJjAA#v=onepage&q=Depopulation%20of%20Greece%20caused%20by%20the%20Roman%20government&f=false[/url]

In addition to this, in the 3rd century AD Goths ravaged Greece (link below).

URL:
[url]https://www.ccel.org/g/gibbon/decline/volume1/chap10.htm[/url]

tchaiku 06-23-2017 06:23 AM

[IMG]http://www.freeinquiry.gr/upload/files/06.10/arvphotos/arv494.jpg[/IMG]

According to the above register, the Greeks of the region were less than Albanians: 1,742 Greek families and 1,836 Albanians are counted. More information can be found in the book by Vasilis Panagiotopoulos: "Population and settlements of the Peloponnese, 13th-18th century" (Historical Archive, Emporiki Bank of Greece, Athens, 1987), from which the above aggregate tables .
(Amphipolis can you help us what is this picture representing, which region etc?)

Αναλυτικά στοιχεία για όλα τα χωριά τής ΒΔ Πελοποννήσου μπορείτε να δείτε στο Παράρτημα “Α” (κάντε κλίκ εδώ). Στη στήλη (γ) σημειώνονται με το γράμμα Ε τα ελληνικά και με το γράμμα Α τα αλβανικά χωριά. (Για την περιοχή τής Αχαΐας για παράδειγμα, το ποσοστό των οικισμών με αρβανίτικο όνομα είναι 74,5%).

Detailed information about all the villages of ND Peloponnese can be found in Annex "A" (click here). Column (c) is marked with the letter E in Greek and the letter A with the Albanian villages. (For example, the percentage of settlements with an Arvanite name is 74.5% for the Achaia region).


E = Greek
A = Albanian


[IMG]http://www.freeinquiry.gr/upload/files/06.10/Venet/1b.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.freeinquiry.gr/upload/files/06.10/Venet/2b.jpg[/IMG]
What about this? Which region (Achaea?) or what is it talking about families, villages etc?

[url]http://www.freeinquiry.gr/pro.php?id=372[/url]

Carlin 06-23-2017 01:53 PM

[B]The End of the Ancient World[/B], By Ferdinand Lot - Page 273:

[COLOR="Blue"][SIZE="2"]"Even to-day [I]Romios[/I] is still used by the common people. [SIZE="3"][B]Hellene is an [U]artificial term[/U] revived in the nineteenth century[/B].[/SIZE] The capital of the Empire is called [I]Roum[/I] by the Arab and Turkish peoples of Asia."[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[url]https://books.google.ca/books?id=tfH9AQAAQBAJ&pg=PA273&dq=turkey+shepherds+romana&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false[/url]

tchaiku 06-23-2017 03:40 PM

In Thessaly, in these years the Vlachs were the majority of the population. But when Albanian multiplied, they began to displace from the plain of Thessaly Vlachs. Yet we must have into account, that the Venetians, who held then Pteleos (Ftelio) in the southeastern part of Thessaly, were happy with the Albanian immigration, because the Albanians were used as a prison in eastern Thessaly by the raids of the Catalans, who They were established in Salona (Amfissa). [ " Except receiver of varying these fiancÚ Angels inheritance (continent) then enafanisthisan the first in the plain of Thessaly and greater Albania migrant multitudes apotelesanton neon and robust component of this population. Albanians edioun APAS outdoor place and because brought meth se woman Taq, the number thereof was increased rapidly and began antikathistanontes Vlachoi, eutin up to that time constitute a maximally plurality of egkatoikon Thessaly, itis thereof was termed Megalovlachia. The receiver Venetian (Pteleos), Efron, that Albania 'This migration of providing the great benefit that by this apischolounto the Catalan so as to ifkairoun attacking against neighbors. "Miller - Lambros" The Franks in Greece ", vol. I, 354.]

Both of the Vlachs, but also from the Albanians distinguish Karagounides of Thessaly, whose language contains Latin, Romanian and Arvanitika elements. Previously there was fierce Albanian element in Dacia (Romania today in some) who homing and then forwarded to Thessaly. This breed, which is miscegenation Albanians and Romanians are probably the Karagounides. The Alvanoroumanoi is also known as Arvanitovlachs

Carlin 06-24-2017 09:49 AM

[B][U]The first settlement of Arvanites in Crete[/U][/B]

The first settlement of Arvanites in Crete is associated with the loss of the Venetians of Methoni (and Koroni) during the Veneto-Turkish war (1499 - 1503). During this war the Venetians "lost" Methoni (Modon) on August 10, 1500, after the residents had previously actually raised heroic resistance against the Turks, who besieged it. From Venetian sources we know that at that time, the defenders of Methoni were mostly Venetians, [I]indigenous Morians (Morias)[/I] and Arvanites who had fled to those places to escape the Turks.

An interesting feature of the city siege is summarized in the following text. Once again, this text is based on Venetian sources and comes from the book “The encyclopaedia of Islam: a dictionary of the geography, ethnography and biography of the Muhammadan peoples”, Τome 3, 1936, page 547:

[COLOR="Blue"]“The lot of the surviving garrison and other inhabitants of the town was a hard one. They were either massacred in most inhuman fashion or sent to slavery. Very few of them succeeded in escaping. But the number of people captured did not come up to the expectation of the Turks, because [B]the Venetian authorities had earlier sent thousands of old men, women and children from Modon to Crete and Zante … The Venetian Senate at once saw to the settlement of a number of the refugees from Modon to Cephalonia[/B]....”[/COLOR]

As we can see the Venetians, before the Turks began to besiege Methoni, transferred to the island of [U]Crete[/U] and Zakynthos, i.e. to safer places, the elderly residents and women and children of the city, leaving only those who could really defend it. One can find many reasons for doing so, but the main one is related to the supply of the city during the long siege. It is certain that supplying a mixed population, including civilians, is much more demanding and difficult than supplying a purely military body.

After the fall and destruction of Methoni, its old inhabitants, the Venetians, the [I]Morians[/I], the Arvanites could not, of course, return back there. The Venetians "distributed" and settled them permanently in [U]Crete[/U], Zakynthos, Kefalonia and perhaps Corfu.

Venetians did the same in the case of Nafplion, which they "lost" from the Turks in 1540. And here we have the case of a city that also resisted to the end. And in this case we have the same "sharing" and settlement of the refugees in Crete, Zakynthos, Kefalonia and Corfu. In this movement is mentioned a relative [U]decision of the Venetian Senate of 1541[/U].

Moreover, at the time when the Turks besieged Methoni and Koroni in the summer of 1500, the Venetians had also transferred to Crete and Zakynthos and the inhabitants of Koroni. However, because the Koroni defenders handed their own city to the Turks, a week after the fall of Methoni, the inhabitants of Koroni were able to return there.

This has plainly demonstrated - with historical [U]facts[/U] - that certain number of today's inhabitants of Crete are of Albanian/Arvanite ethnic descent.

tchaiku 06-24-2017 11:14 AM

[QUOTE]This has plainly demonstrated - with historical [U]facts[/U] - that certain number of today's inhabitants of Crete are of Albanian/Arvanite ethnic descent[/QUOTE].
I wonder how much.

tchaiku 06-24-2017 11:17 AM

[IMG]http://www.freeinquiry.gr/upload/files/06.10/Venet/5b.jpg[/IMG]

An Albanian village in Morea named Vlacho number 155.

tchaiku 06-24-2017 12:14 PM

[url]https://books.google.com/books?id=3e3rAAAAMAAJ&q=%CE%A0%CE%BB%CE%B7%CE%B8%CF%85%CF%83%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82+%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%B9+%CE%BF%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%BC%CE%BF%CE%B9+%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82+%CE%A0%CE%B5%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%BD%CE%B7%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%85:&dq=%CE%A0%CE%BB%CE%B7%CE%B8%CF%85%CF%83%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82+%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%B9+%CE%BF%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%BC%CE%BF%CE%B9+%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82+%CE%A0%CE%B5%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%BD%CE%B7%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%85:&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj9xZyc_dbUAhVJWhQKHTK_AMAQ6AEIJjAA[/url]

Author Βασιλης Παναγιωτοπουλος
Edition reprint
Publisher Ιστορικο ΑρΧειο, Εμπορικη Τραπεζα της Ελλαδος, 1985
Original from the University of Michigan
Digitized Dec 12, 2009
Length 414 pages

[url]https://books.google.com/books?id=3e3rAAAAMAAJ&q=%CE%91%CE%BB%CE%B2%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%AF&dq=%CE%A0%CE%BB%CE%B7%CE%B8%CF%85%CF%83%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82+%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%B9+%CE%BF%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%BC%CE%BF%CE%AF+%CF%84%CE%AE%CF%82+%CE%A0%CE%B5%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%BD%CE%AE%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%85,+13%CE%BF%CF%82-18%CE%BF%CF%82+%CE%B1%CE%B9%CF%8E%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%82&source=gbs_word_cloud_r&cad=4[/url]

[url]https://books.google.com/books?id=3e3rAAAAMAAJ&q=%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%B2%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE&dq=%CE%A0%CE%BB%CE%B7%CE%B8%CF%85%CF%83%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82+%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%B9+%CE%BF%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%BC%CE%BF%CE%AF+%CF%84%CE%AE%CF%82+%CE%A0%CE%B5%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%BD%CE%AE%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%85,+13%CE%BF%CF%82-18%CE%BF%CF%82+%CE%B1%CE%B9%CF%8E%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%82&source=gbs_word_cloud_r&cad=4[/url]

[url]https://books.google.com/books?id=3e3rAAAAMAAJ&q=%CE%91%CE%BB%CE%B2%CE%B1%CE%BD%CF%8E%CE%BD&dq=%CE%A0%CE%BB%CE%B7%CE%B8%CF%85%CF%83%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82+%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%B9+%CE%BF%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%BC%CE%BF%CE%AF+%CF%84%CE%AE%CF%82+%CE%A0%CE%B5%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%BD%CE%AE%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%85,+13%CE%BF%CF%82-18%CE%BF%CF%82+%CE%B1%CE%B9%CF%8E%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%82&source=gbs_word_cloud_r&cad=4[/url]

More on author of the book:
[url]https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Βασίλης_Παναγιωτόπουλος[/url]


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