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momce 11-30-2012 02:23 AM

[QUOTE=Makedonia;406]The Greek government acknowledges that there are people living in Greece, from all over the world.

What it does not recognise is the minority status of these peoples.[/QUOTE]

Those people are not immigrants. Typical of greece they lie about everything to suit their interests.

momce 11-30-2012 02:29 AM

[QUOTE=Areianos;724]Well we modern Greeks did not write history and Peloponesos was populated mainly by Dorians that migrated from Macedonia to Peloponesos. They were Greek speakers and founders of Linear B.

Besides when the royal houses were waging war amongst each other in southern Greece, Macedonian royalty invited the war refugees from Corinth, Argolis & Sparta to settle in Macedonia as it had vast land (according to Thucydides).

Perhaps it was these war refugees from Corinth, Argolis and Sparta that sent Macedonia to the stratosphere under the reign of Philip.[/QUOTE]

Is there any evidence that the Dorians were really Greeks?

Carlin 12-11-2012 10:07 PM


Ioannis Kolettis (Greek: Ιωάννης Κωλέττης) was a Greek politician who played a significant role in Greek affairs from the Greek War of Independence through the early years of the Greek Kingdom, including as Minister to France and serving twice as Prime Minister. Kolettis was born in Syrrako, Epirus and played a leading role in the political life of the Greek state in the 1830s and 1840s. Kolettis was of Vlach origin and studied medicine in Pisa, Italy and was influenced by the Carbonari movement and started planning his return to Epirus in order to participate in Greece's independence struggles.

[SIZE="3"]Ioannis Kolettis stated the following in the Greek parliament:

Για ποιούς έλληνες συζητάμε κύριοι; Η Ελλάδα φοράει τσαρούχια βλάχικα και φέσια αρβανίτικα.

"Gentlemen, what Hellenes are we talking about? All Hellas is wearing Vlach tsarouhia and Albanian fezzes."[/SIZE]

This raises a question: Since there were no Hellenes (Greeks), how did the revolution of 1821 prevail? It prevailed thanks to the British, who wanted a state of their own in the Mediterranean (and not to fall under Russian influence and control). They took advantage of the uprising of the people of Greece and helped them, seeing the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.

Carlin 12-11-2012 10:26 PM

1) History of the Greek Revolution: And of the Wars and Campaigns ... - Volume 1, By Thomas Gordon.

"From the chronicles of those dark and gloomy ages, we can extract but little information regarding the country to which our attention is more immediately directed. We only know that proper Greece was repeatedly and cruelly wasted by Goths, Saracens, and Bulgarians, that her cities were mostly ruined, great part of the population exterminated, and that to fill up the void, the emperors planted there, at various periods, colonies of MARDAITES and SCLAVONIANS."

2) Urquhart, "Spirit of the East", London, 1830, str. 116:

"Iako Vonitsa bese glaven stab, tamu ne postoese niedno drugo voeno telo osven ona na kapetan Dziogas, lider na VLASITE, edno naselenie koe ucestvuvase vo Revolucijata so najmnogu deset iljadi mazi vo razlicni periodi. Dziogas imase sobrano naednas do dve iljadi vojnici."


Vonitsa is a town in the northwestern part of Aetolia-Acarnania:

3) Benjamin of Tudela describes the [B]Vlachs of Boeotia[/B] sweeping down "from the mountains to despoil and ravage the land of Greece".

- Curta 2005, p. 357.
- The Itinerary of Benjamin of Tudela, p. 21.


(Modern Boeotian Greeks are entirely of Vlach and Albanian ancestry.)

Carlin 12-22-2012 02:11 AM

Please make [I]comparisons[/I] accordingly and carefully. :) This lecture can be used as a great example of how a/any "national identity" is constructed.

A Nation? Peasants, Language, and French Identity

France Since 1871 (HIST 276)

The problematic question of when people in France began to consider themselves part of a French nation, with a specifically French national identity, has often been explained in terms of the modernizing progress of the French language at the expense of regional dialects. In fact, the development of French identity in rural France can be seen to have taken place alongside a continued tradition of local cultural practices, particularly in the form of patois. French identity must be understood in terms of the relationship between the official discourse of the metropolitan center and the unique practices of the country's regions, rather than in terms of the unambiguous triumph of the former over the latter.

00:00 - Chapter 1. The Birth of National Identity and Agents of Modernization
06:44 - Chapter 2. Regional Languages of France
15:20 - Chapter 3. Modernization of Transportation: Roads, Railways and Identity-Formation
25:42 - Chapter 4. Schoolteachers and Schoolhouses: Education, the State, and Identity
38:59 - Chapter 5. French Schools and Regional Identity Today

[url=]4. A Nation? Peasants, Language, and French Identity - YouTube[/url]

Bill77 05-30-2013 07:15 PM

Any resemblance to Pericles, Demostenisa and Socrates ?


The latest modern Greek, which the Australian/Greeks are getting exited about.

Good luck to the kid, seems like a nice kid.
but to his followers, that might follow for the sake that he is Grik and overlook the fact he represents Australia and produced by Australia, can wake up to reality in more ways than one.

George S. 05-31-2013 12:05 AM

where there is a will there is a way.They manage to still keep the greek identity,what identity of lies & deceit.They are only fooling themselves.

lavce pelagonski 06-01-2013 01:35 AM

He doesnt look Greek to me more like a middle eastern

George S. 06-01-2013 02:24 AM

that's right they don't even look greek.

Momce Makedonce 06-01-2013 07:52 AM

Footballer Kyriakos Papadopoulos from Shalke. He is from Katerini in Egejska Makedonija.


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