[quote=Jankovska;89644]I am not saying in any way that it isn't but afterall is our flag at the moment, we have soliders who have died under that flag. I am not saying it's great, let's keet it, I am saying that there is no reason to be offensive towards it and call it all sorts. Afterall if we decide and change it one day we will do it. What is the bloody point of him going on and on and on about ventilatori. Cel ventilator e, izvean izvean pa nema dodeka. Asking for respect towards it is not too much to ask.[/quote]

How many of those soldiers accepted the ventilator? Do you know which flag Dostoinstvo, the organisation representing veterans and current soldiers, uses on its Coat of Arms?

How can anyone respect treason? It is the same as asking us to respect the term FYROM. Do you also respect FYROM? If not, why not? What is the difference?

If you're not interested in your own rights, then so be it, but don't try and convince others to ingore theirs.

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;89641]If you go back a few posts, you’ll find that it was YOU who started looking for ‘sawdust’ in people’s language skills.
[/QUOTE]
Wrong, I just joined your sawdust game ... you were all along the champion in the game... I hope you don't mind... nah, like I care if you don't....
[QUOTE=Vangelovski;89641]
So have you worked out how to spell ‘Македонија’ or not?
[/QUOTE]
Is that all you have to grasp on? How do you spell it in Australionian?
[QUOTE=Vangelovski;89641]
why do you keep demanding to know what other’s have done?
[/QUOTE]
I haven't set out any demands like that. I don't see my self in position nor do I have the need to set any demands on anyone.

Yet, I have only to look at your approach, recall what you have talked and look at the hard facts reality, to know with almost 100% certainty that you haven't achieved anything.
[QUOTE=Vangelovski;89641]
Why are you trying to convince others to accept treason just like you have?[/QUOTE]

That is a good example of how to use your imagination. You are really good at that, keep on the good work, thumbs up....
[QUOTE=Vangelovski;89641]
Why are you even posting on this forum?[/QUOTE]

I am compelled by the lack of humility, insensitivity and arrogance of the approach taken in such discussions. On the other hand, when reading such thing, the inner peasant of mine can't stay away out of it, and wants his share of the insulting orgy that has been going on lately here. The later is something that I realized thanks to the likes of you... I was doomed to stay civilized for life time... Thanx for that though...

Really tell me, what drugs are you using. Speed-ball mixed with grass perhaps?

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;89649]How many of those soldiers accepted the ventilator? Do you know which flag Dostoinstvo, the organisation representing veterans and current soldiers, uses on its Coat of Arms?

How can anyone respect treason? It is the same as asking us to respect the term FYROM. Do you also respect FYROM? If not, why not? What is the difference?

If you're not interested in your own rights, then so be it, but don't try and convince others to ingore theirs.[/QUOTE]

A be ti korav si ili glup si? Toa e znameto na Makedonija, ako ne go sakas i ako imas protiv sto ne mrdnes g'zot i ne napravis nesto? Nikoj ne te tera da go sakas tuku da imas malku pocit sprema tie sto poginale pod toj zname. Ti niti ke imas niti znaes sto e toa pocit, kako sto ja kaza ti si eden od tie sto ja citaat Bibilija oti mislat moze da jadat trici kolku sakat i deka pak ke otidat u rajot i ti produzues da mlatis prazna slama. Deka bese ti g'z majcin da glasas kad Makedonija se deli? Da se boris za toj zname? Deka bese? Ili kako i obicno ke izbegnes da dades odgovor i ke me prasuvas dali ja se slagam so Fyrom ili so usi magareski. Ne e tvoja rabota ama tebe te nikade nemalo kad toj zname se meni taka da ne ripaj mnogu i ne digaj prasina. Trebalo kako takov vojvoda da ides i da se boris ne da cekas da ti ostaree g'zot za da stanes patriot zad monitor. Od takvite patrioti Makedonija cveta

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;89648]It is the most obvious symbol of Macedonian capitulation that we have ever had.

We have lost many Macedonians under Serbian, Russian, Greek, Bulgarian flags (amongst others). This has been discussed to death. The problem is we have more Macedonians who accept all of the current capitulations than Macedonians who demand liberty and justice. Modern Macedonians have nothing on Goce's Macedonians. What happened to us in 100 years?[/QUOTE]

Respecting something doesn't mean accepting it. I respect the Bible I do not accept it in any way. Our fight is far from over but I refuse to accept to listen rude names about our flag. That is my problem. Ventilator pa ventilator, bre uceniot covek.

[quote=Jankovska;89652]A be ti korav si ili glup si? Toa e znameto na Makedonija, ako ne go sakas i ako imas protiv sto ne mrdnes g'zot i ne napravis nesto? Nikoj ne te tera da go sakas tuku da imas malku pocit sprema tie sto poginale pod toj zname. Ti niti ke imas niti znaes sto e toa pocit, kako sto ja kaza ti si eden od tie sto ja citaat Bibilija oti mislat moze da jadat trici kolku sakat i deka pak ke otidat u rajot i ti produzues da mlatis prazna slama. Deka bese ti g'z majcin da glasas kad Makedonija se deli? Da se boris za toj zname? Deka bese? Ili kako i obicno ke izbegnes da dades odgovor i ke me prasuvas dali ja se slagam so Fyrom ili so usi magareski. Ne e tvoja rabota ama tebe te nikade nemalo kad toj zname se meni taka da ne ripaj mnogu i ne digaj prasina. Trebalo kako takov vojvoda da ides i da se boris ne da cekas da ti ostaree g'zot za da stanes patriot zad monitor. Od takvite patrioti Makedonija cveta[/quote]

Jankovska,

Explain how you expect anyone to have "respect" for treason?

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;89657]Jankovska,

Explain how you expect anyone to have "respect" for treason?[/QUOTE]

I don't have to explain anything to you coz for me you are a pointless person on a forum who writes crap all day long. Go back, read your Bible and carry on convincing yourself how good person you are. In my opinion you are a waste of time. You have owe me soooo many explainations on questions I have asked and you replyed with questions only. Try answering those first and than I will give you an explanation.
Or in true Vangelovski style, here is my explanation

Where were you to fight for the flag when we seperated from Jugoslavia?

The Bible is a treason, it's lies that killed and toirtured people for centuries. And yet you swear by it. You are a funny guy Vangelovski, very funny

[quote=makedonin;89651]Wrong, I just joined your sawdust game ... you were all along the champion in the game... I hope you don't mind... nah, like I care if you don't....

Is that all you have to grasp on? How do you spell it in Australionian?

I haven't set out any demands like that. I don't see my self in position nor do I have the need to set any demands on anyone.

Yet, I have only to look at your approach, recall what you have talked and look at the hard facts reality, to know with almost 100% certainty that you haven't achieved anything.


That is a good example of how to use your imagination. You are really good at that, keep on the good work, thumbs up....


I am compelled by the lack of humility, insensitivity and arrogance of the approach taken in such discussions. On the other hand, when reading such thing, the inner peasant of mine can't stay away out of it, and wants his share of the insulting orgy that has been going on lately here.

Really tell me, what drugs are you using. Speed-ball mixed with grass perhaps?[/quote]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here?

So, have you worked out how to spell 'Македонија' yet? Knowing the Macedonian language is the standard that YOU set for being a Macedonian. It would only be logical that one should be able to at least spell the name of their country, don't you think?

[quote=Jankovska;89661]I don't have to explain anything to you coz for me you are a pointless person on a forum who writes crap all day long. Go back, read your Bible and carry on convincing yourself how good person you are. In my opinion you are a waste of time. You have owe me soooo many explainations on questions I have asked and you replyed with questions only. Try answering those first and than I will give you an explanation.
Or in true Vangelovski style, here is my explanation

Where were you to fight for the flag when we seperated from Jugoslavia?

The Bible is a treason, it's lies that killed and toirtured people for centuries. And yet you swear by it. You are a funny guy Vangelovski, very funny[/quote]

Most people already know the story (except for the same old few who refuse to engage their brains). The illegitimate Macedonian Government in 1995 (illegitimate because it rigged the elections to come to power) CAPITULATED to Greek demands that we change our FREELY CHOSEN flag. That is HIGH TREASON by any definition. Jankovska would now like us to "respect" the symbol of treason and capitulation known as the ventilator.

Seeing as JANKOVSKA has called on us to "respect" treason, can she explain exactly how she expects us to do that, without lobotomising ourselves? Or, is a labotomy the only way?

In addition to HOW, it would also be interesting to hear from JANKOVSKA, WHY she thinks we should "respect" treason?

The HOW and the WHY.

It would also be interesting to hear from JANKOVSKA, HOW we can resist oppression when she expects us to "respect" the oppression that we are under. HOW does one resist something they "respect"?

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;89663]Most people already know the story (except for the same old few who refuse to engage their brains). The illegitimate Macedonian Government in 1995 (illegitimate because it rigged the elections to come to power) CAPITULATED to Greek demands that we change our FREELY CHOSEN flag. That is HIGH TREASON by any definition. Jankovska would now like us to "respect" the symbol of treason and capitulation known as the ventilator.

Seeing as JANKOVSKA has called on us to "respect" treason, can she explain exactly how she expects us to do that, without lobotomising ourselves? Or, is a labotomy the only way?[/QUOTE]

Very simple, the same way you respect the Bible!!!!
Or in my way stop calling it a ventilator. Now why don't you answer my question and tell me where were you to fight against the flag and the illegitimate gov? If you avoid answering I swear I will never exchange one word with you ever again. You are a tough guy Vangelovski you like for everyone to give you answers but all you do is avoid to give them. I hope people here see through you sooner rather than later.

[quote=Jankovska;89665]Very simple, the same way you respect the Bible!!!!
Or in my way stop calling it a ventilator. Now why don't you answer my question and tell me where were you to fight against the flag and the illegitimate gov? If you avoid answering I swear I will never exchange one word with you ever again. You are a tough guy Vangelovski you like answers but thoughout the time all you do is avoid to give them.[/quote]

I accept the Bible, hence I respect it. Does that mean you accept treason?

[B]There are a few more questions there J.[/B]

Considering I was 16 at the time of your glorious VENTILATOR, my options for resistance were limited. However, as you can see, I am actively attempting to show people that the VENTILATOR is TREASON and that we need to RESIST it and never legitimise it. Nothing will ever change if we "respect" oppression and treason.

Never exchange another word with me!? Really!? I hope you're not teasing!

I also hope people read my posts and think carefully about them.