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Risto the Great 12-05-2018 11:57 PM

[QUOTE=Phoenix;177926]I think Zaev has a totally different interpretation of the agreement than how the Greeks view things, this is the result of trying too hard to be all things to all people, rather than to focus on Macedonia’s priorities...[/QUOTE]
I think he simply forgot he was in a public forum when he was making up his next collection of fairy-tales.

Spirit 12-06-2018 12:09 AM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;177927]I think he simply forgot he was in a public forum when he was making up his next collection of fairy-tales.[/QUOTE]

:biggrin: :biggrin: Indeed that they are fairytales Risto

Stojacanec 12-06-2018 05:16 AM

Those are empty words by Zaev, they don't mean a thing.

This is Zaev's tactic to butter up the Macedonian population to be part of the Za! movement. Does he take people for fools?

Macedonian schools will never be operating in Greece!!

Even if there was a clearance to open up such a school, it would be vandalised, terrorised or burned down anyway.

vicsinad 12-06-2018 08:46 AM

[QUOTE=Stojacanec;177930]Those are empty words by Zaev, they don't mean a thing.

This is Zaev's tactic to butter up the Macedonian population to be part of the Za! movement. Does he take people for fools?

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Spot on. He does take people for fools, though: he can contradict himself in the same breath, sell out the country and identity, and the people accept it; some with a couple of moans and groans, but still accepting it nevertheless.

Niko777 12-06-2018 10:14 AM

[QUOTE=vicsinad;177931]Spot on. He does take people for fools, though: he can contradict himself in the same breath, sell out the country and identity, and the people accept it; some with a couple of moans and groans, but still accepting it nevertheless.[/QUOTE]

He was trying to sound patriotic, he must have borrowed a page from the DPMNE handbook LOL

Gocka 12-06-2018 10:53 AM

Taking people for fools is a lot easier when those people are fools! :6:

[QUOTE=vicsinad;177931]Spot on. He does take people for fools, though: he can contradict himself in the same breath, sell out the country and identity, and the people accept it; some with a couple of moans and groans, but still accepting it nevertheless.[/QUOTE]

Carlin 12-06-2018 08:34 PM

Normalizing Greece-Macedonia relations once and for all

URL:
[url]http://www.ekathimerini.com/235380/opinion/ekathimerini/comment/normalizing-greece-fyrom-relations-once-and-for-all[/url]

Prime Minister Zoran Zaev has shown courage in his persistence to push through the name deal signed with Greece. This is something the more moderate voices on the Greek side appreciate, as is the fact that when the embattled premier is addressing a domestic audience he needs to highlight the benefits he secured with the agreement rather than the concessions he was forced to make. The latter he will either downplay or not bring up at all.

Nevertheless, at this important juncture for the success of the deal, Macedonia’s prime minister, as well as the Balkan country’s politicians and citizens, need to remember two very important things. First, that the agreement still needs to be ratified by the Greek Parliament, where the balance is also quite shaky and majority support is not a given.

The second is that even when the deal passes in Greece and Macedonia joins NATO, it will still face a slew of issues on which it will need Athens’s support and cooperation. Maintaining the existing level of tension will only prove harmful to Macedonia’s long-term interests.

In the meantime, international players who are investing in a successful outcome need to understand that implementation of the agreement in the long term is more important than allowing certain over-the-top statements which will only contribute to the detriment of the deal’s long-term success.

I am referring here to Zaev’s recent comment in response to an opposition politician’s question regarding the right of the “Macedonians of the Aegean” to be taught the “Macedonian” language. This needs to be the West’s strategic priority if what it is seeking is stability in the Balkans.

The frustration on the Greek side – expressed more discreetly by governing SYRIZA and much more vocally by opposition New Democracy – is absolutely justified.

One of the key principles of the Prespes name deal is that the two countries will not meddle in each other’s domestic affairs, and this is being enshrined in the changes being introduced to Macedonia’s constitution.

The issue at hand is not to hide the problems so that the deal goes through. Such an approach may lead to an even bigger crisis in the future – between two NATO members. At the same time, although it may not halt Macedonia’s process of accession to the European Union, it will certainly complicate it.

The goal should be to normalize relations between Athens and Skopje once and for all to the benefit of both countries. And that cannot be achieved with statements aimed solely at domestic audiences which end up alienating and angering the people in the other country.

Gocka 12-06-2018 10:03 PM

FUCK YOU!

Everything about that fucking agreement amounts to meddling in the domestic affairs of Macedonia. Down what we can call ourselves, what we can say and not say, what names we can use and not use, what it says and doesn't say in OUR constitution, on OUR passports, what it says in OUR history books.

We have to allow Albanians to have Albanian language schools, roads, signs, and everything else under the sun. But the mere mention that Macedonians in Greece being taught their mother tongue is an over the top provocation.

This whole thing is downright sick. Anyone who can sit idly by and either take this, or condone it, whether from the inside or externally, is sick. A special place in hell is reserved for these bureaucrats who watch from a far and cheer on this sadistic behavior.

Everything we say, everything we do is a provocation. We are expected to just stay quiet while we get continually whipped. All that is left is for physical bondage to be imposed, we are already being subjected to every other form of it.

Are the Macedonian people really that brain dead that they don't see that Greeks will never treat us fairly as long as we identify even remotely as Macedonians. They are psychotic in their hatred of us. They are disingenuous in everything they say and do. How hard is it to see that!

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One of the key principles of the Prespes name deal is that the two countries will not meddle in each other’s domestic affairs, and this is being enshrined in the changes being introduced to Macedonia’s constitution.

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Spirit 12-07-2018 01:02 AM

[QUOTE=Gocka;177940]FUCK YOU!

Everything about that fucking agreement amounts to meddling in the domestic affairs of Macedonia. Down what we can call ourselves, what we can say and not say, what names we can use and not use, what it says and doesn't say in OUR constitution, on OUR passports, what it says in OUR history books.

We have to allow Albanians to have Albanian language schools, roads, signs, and everything else under the sun. But the mere mention that Macedonians in Greece being taught their mother tongue is an over the top provocation.

This whole thing is downright sick. Anyone who can sit idly by and either take this, or condone it, whether from the inside or externally, is sick. A special place in hell is reserved for these bureaucrats who watch from a far and cheer on this sadistic behavior.

Everything we say, everything we do is a provocation. We are expected to just stay quiet while we get continually whipped. All that is left is for physical bondage to be imposed, we are already being subjected to every other form of it.

Are the Macedonian people really that brain dead that they don't see that Greeks will never treat us fairly as long as we identify even remotely as Macedonians. They are psychotic in their hatred of us. They are disingenuous in everything they say and do. How hard is it to see that![/QUOTE]

That also stood out for me Gocka the minute I read it about not meddling in each other’s affairs, the whole Prespa agreement gives license for Greece to meddle in Macedonia’s affairs

Risto the Great 12-07-2018 03:30 AM

Surely this will be the olive that breaks the donkey's back. But Macedonia is a whore, anything is possible.


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