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TrueMacedonian 05-26-2010 10:46 AM

Poll: most Macedonians want to dump talks with Greece
 
[url]http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/newsbriefs/setimes/newsbriefs/2010/05/26/nb-07[/url]

[b]Poll: most Macedonians want to dump talks with Greece[/b]

SKOPJE, Macedonia -- A new poll finds the majority of citizens believe that negotiations on the name dispute with Greece should be abandoned. A survey commissioned by the daily Dnevnik and published on Tuesday (May 25th) found that 60% of Macedonians believe that their country could join the EU and NATO without changing its name. In addition, 51% said Macedonia should stop seeking compromise with Greece over the long-standing row, compared to 48% who believe the talks should continue. Among ethnic Albanians, 79% say the negotiations must go on. Overall, 62% of respondents say that if a compromise is found, it should be submitted to a referendum. The survey, conducted from May 15th to May 18th, involved 1,080 people. (Dnevnik, MIA, A1, Alsat - 25/05/10)

Risto the Great 06-12-2010 09:16 AM

Interim Accord
 
Can you be a Macedonian and accept the interim accord being binding upon you? Or are they mutually exclusive issues?

I am not placing a copy of the "agreement" here because I hope you will go to the effort of looking for it online. Then reading it to check if it is the correct one, then slapping your foreheads in disgust.

Please feel free to post any issue that offends you the most. I do not think we have dealt with this as seriously as we should have.

julie 06-12-2010 09:48 AM

I will never accept the interim accord, anyone that does cannot consider themselves a Macedonian. The whole lot disgusts me

Makedonetz 06-12-2010 10:01 AM

After reading some of the articles in the accord it seems it was drawn up by chimps while they were scratching their asses! :6:

Eg:
Article 4

The Parties shall refrain, in accordance with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations, from the threat or use of force, including the threat or use of force designed to violate their existing frontier, and they agree that neither of them will assert or support claims to any part of the territory of the other Party or claims for a change of their existing frontier.

Yeah this BS goes on and nothing happens i wonder how much validity this "Accord" has or is it a Mock to scare us.

Makedonetz 06-12-2010 04:46 PM

Brussels became a lawyer of Greek interests?
 
12.06.2010 - 18:53 |

* Macedonia Macedonia Macedonia fulfilled all conditions and criteria to start negotiations for EU membership, but they will start as soon settle the dispute with Greece. Macedonia has met all conditions and criteria for starting negotiations on EU membership, but they will start as soon settle the dispute with Greece.

This, according to sources of Perth, is expected to read the conclusion of Macedonia Council on Thursday. This, according to sources of Perth, is expected to read the conclusion of Macedonia Council on Thursday.

The heads of European states will once again identify with the Greek veto and already fully known formulation will zacimentiraat blockade of Macedonia's EU integration. The heads of European states will once again identify with the Greek veto and already fully known formulation will zacimentiraat blockade of Macedonia's EU integration.

Thus, despite public opposition on the part of European leaders and parliamentarians, the Union will officially be put in the role of protector of Greek, rather than European interests, comment diplomats in Brussels. Thus, despite public opposition on the part of European leaders and parliamentarians, the Union will officially be put in the role of protector of Greek, rather than European interests, comment diplomats in Brussels.In the meantime however, the Union of sile pressure of trying to find a way to close the question. In the meantime however, the Union of sile pressure of trying to find a way to close the question. That pressure is enormous, and the Minister admitted yesterday Milososki. That pressure is enormous, and the Minister admitted yesterday Milososki.

If by some time ago by Greece najeksponiraniot Drucas ordering Deputy Minister of Macedonia to accept the proposal from the Republic of Macedonia specimens, now Greek proposal began to favor and socijlademokratite. If by some time ago by Greece najeksponiraniot Drucas ordering Deputy Minister of Macedonia to accept the proposal from the Republic of Macedonia specimens, now Greek proposal began to favor and socijlademokratite.
If by some time ago by Greece najeksponiraniot Drucas ordering Deputy Minister of Macedonia to accept the proposal from the Republic of Macedonia specimens, now Greek proposal began to favor and socijlademokratite. If by some time ago by Greece najeksponiraniot Drucas ordering Deputy Minister of Macedonia to accept the proposal from the Republic of Macedonia specimens, now Greek proposal began to favor and socijlademokratite.

Crvenkovski already open or recommends that Macedonia will accept it and propose, or have early elections expected to win. Crvenkovski already open or recommends that Macedonia will accept it and propose, or have early elections expected to win.After these messages Crvenkovski Greece has no reason to seek a compromise, analysts say. After these messages Crvenkovski Greece has no reason to seek a compromise, analysts say.



In Macedonia already has a partner who would accept their decision, Athens awaits new elections in the fall, that Crvenkovski would win, which would become the Greek decision and ours. In Macedonia already has a partner who would accept their decision, Athens awaits new elections in the fall, that Crvenkovski would win, which would become the Greek decision and ours.

Snezana Jovanovska Snezana Jovanovska
SOurce:
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Looks like Crvenkovski has some kind of Grkomani dealings with these pigs who deny our freedom of rights. Looks like he is being influenced by greece to change our names hopefully people in Macedonia see this BS :shit:

Makedonetz 06-12-2010 08:22 PM

Does Gruevski go for another election this fall? Looks like this battle between his party and Crvenovski right wing party are going to but heads. I wondfer what greece promised Czerkovski :devil2:

fyrOM 06-13-2010 12:39 AM

I wonder why the government was so forcefull in making all the people in the diaspora to get their papers in order by sending teams into the diaspora and the [I]cant leave the country without a valid Macedonian pasport[/I] debarkle.:28:

Vangelovski 06-13-2010 04:44 AM

Its a racing-horse blinker system that our vassal kinsmen use to make sure they think inside the box when dealing with issues of critical importance.

Buktop 06-13-2010 06:34 AM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;59252]Can you be a Macedonian and accept the interim accord being binding upon you? Or are they mutually exclusive issues?

I am not placing a copy of the "agreement" here because I hope you will go to the effort of looking for it online. Then reading it to check if it is the correct one, then slapping your foreheads in disgust.

Please feel free to post any issue that offends you the most. I do not think we have dealt with this as seriously as we should have.[/QUOTE]

In the sense that the Government of Macedonia seeks to fully abide by the agreement I see it as binding on the Macedonian state, and it's citizens. Meaning, as long as the government continues playing by the agreement, we citizens are f#%*ed. And the only way to change that is either to drop everything and say F#%* it or explore some other option.

My interest is in finding a way out of the agreement, while maintaining a level of political clout, economic solidarity, and civil welfare. You may call me a vassal for trying to ensure the preservation of certain vital aspects of survival for a state and it's citizens, but none the less, I am able to realize that these aspects of survival are essential to the State and it's citizenry.

julie 06-13-2010 06:48 AM

[QUOTE=Buktop;59340]In the sense that the Government of Macedonia seeks to fully abide by the agreement I see it as binding on the Macedonian state, and it's citizens. Meaning, [B][SIZE="3"]as long as the government continues playing by the agreement, we citizens are f#%*ed. And the only way to change that is either to drop everything and say F#%*[/SIZE][/B] it or explore some other option.

My interest is in finding a way out of the agreement, while maintaining a level of political clout, economic solidarity, and civil welfare. You may call me a vassal for trying to ensure the preservation of certain vital aspects of survival for a state and it's citizens, but none the less, I am able to realize that these aspects of survival are essential to the State and it's citizenry.[/QUOTE]


and that is how it should be, anyone that wants to maintain our Macedonian identity


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