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Gocka 01-13-2019 05:13 PM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;178418]There is no pulse. None.[/QUOTE]

Probably not. Morat malku da si go mamish umot.

maco2envy 01-13-2019 05:15 PM

Is it true that international treaties must be approved by the UN?

Gocka 01-13-2019 05:58 PM

[QUOTE=maco2envy;178422]Is it true that international treaties must be approved by the UN?[/QUOTE]

No not in every case.

The way it was explained to me by Vicsinad is that because the conflict with Greece was originally initiated at the UN, and the current iterations and negotiations mediated by the UN, that is why this agreement requires UN approval. Because this resolution was conducted under the auspices of the UN.

vicsinad 01-13-2019 06:14 PM

[QUOTE=Gocka;178423]No not in every case.

The way it was explained to me by Vicsinad is that because the conflict with Greece was originally initiated at the UN, and the current iterations and negotiations mediated by the UN, that is why this agreement requires UN approval. Because this resolution was conducted under the auspices of the UN.[/QUOTE]

Yes, and this is essentially what Russia alluded to several months ago, hinting that it has to come the the UN Security Council and that they would veto it.

Gocka 01-13-2019 06:25 PM

[QUOTE=vicsinad;178424]Yes, and this is essentially what Russia alluded to several months ago, hinting that it has to come the the UN Security Council and that they would veto it.[/QUOTE]

Also Vic correct me if I am wrong:

UN approval and Greek ratification have no bearing on what are the internal matters of Macedonia, changing of the constitution, and such? Does the Prespa agreement have any provisions stipulating on what would happen in the even of UN or Greek rejection?

The internal changes that Macedonia made are unaffected by the UN or Greece correct?

vicsinad 01-13-2019 07:00 PM

[QUOTE=Gocka;178425]Also Vic correct me if I am wrong:

UN approval and Greek ratification have no bearing on what are the internal matters of Macedonia, changing of the constitution, and such? Does the Prespa agreement have any provisions stipulating on what would happen in the even of UN or Greek rejection?

The internal changes that Macedonia made are unaffected by the UN or Greece correct?[/QUOTE]

I think that's true. The problem with a Russian veto at the UN is that it wouldn't mean anything. Macedonia could have made these constitutional changes on its own and Greece could not veto Macedonia's entrance into NATO or the EU without any agreement. So, perhaps an argument that the agreement itself can be vetoed can be made from the technical aspect, but it would have no practical affect aside from causing some international geopolitical pomp and stance.

maco2envy 01-13-2019 07:00 PM

I can also see China potentially blocking the agreement at the UN.

Soldier of Macedon 01-13-2019 07:19 PM

[QUOTE=Rogi;178380]....just 80 people, sell out Macedonia, without a complaint, a protest......[/QUOTE]
Not that it makes (or made) much difference but Filip Petrovski and some others did protest in Skopje a number of times in the past several months.

Gocka 01-13-2019 07:35 PM

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;178428]Not that it makes (or made) much difference but Filip Petrovski and some others did protest in Skopje a number of times in the past several months.[/QUOTE]

Yea him and his 5 cousins and 1 neighbor turned Skopje upside down.

In all seriousness though I am still in utter disbelief that almost no one protested. I think back over the years, we have had several very large protests for much much less. This is probably the point that sticks out the most to me over this entire debacle.

Based on the referendum results you have to assume a significant number of people were opposed to this, where were they all this time, where are they now???

Risto the Great 01-13-2019 07:54 PM

[QUOTE=Gocka;178429]Based on the referendum results you have to assume a significant number of people were opposed to this, where were they all this time, where are they now???[/QUOTE]Based on the referendum results AND the fact that nothing has happened since, you must assume they are either not particularly concerned OR are totally in favour of this.


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