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Dejan 11-03-2015 12:40 AM

I guess he's trying to show his relevance still, if he had any. But then again, our stupidity gave him relevance...

Tomche Makedonche 11-03-2015 12:47 AM

This useless f*cker... clearly trying to justify his position and annual salary again, can't wait till the next update in November 2016:shit:

Vangelovski 11-03-2015 06:28 AM

I think everything there is to say on this topic has been said.

Successive Macedonian governments would have sold us out by now if the Greeks had not objected to the capitulations that the Macedonians had already accepted.

Regardless, Macedonians will continue to negotiate in the deluded hope that they will be accepted into the EU/NATO while avoiding the perceived wrath of Europe and the US if they end the negotiations. Greece meanwhile (confident and assertive even when its on its knees), has no intention of ever allowing Macedonia join the EU/NATO (and probably for the best) even if Macedonia capitulated completely.

Perpetual negotiations are an end in and of themselves for Greece - negotiations are the perfect solution for Greece as it keeps our idiots preoccupied.

George S. 11-03-2015 07:12 AM

Macedonia should call off the name negotiations.Dont play in their hands and be cornered in a corner,The reason being that Macedonia was divided unjustly and one day all the parts may come together.Dont give in to them.You will be the loser Macedonia.That means you aren't a Macedonian and you have no rights to your name.

Stojacanec 11-03-2015 07:51 AM

What a load of rubbish! Compare and contrast...

Greece: Easy access to the EU and Nato, hundreds of billions in loans. Standard of living is maintained to level of Germany.

Macedonia: gets an invite we need to change flag, constitution, name....

Gocka 11-03-2015 08:12 AM

I think the Macedonian government benefits from the situation as well. It gives them a monster to fight against. Its the only reason DPMNE has been able to hang on to power despite the horrible shape of the country. People believe that DPMNE is defending them from Greek aggression. The perpetual negotiations also give perpetual hope that something better is just over the horizon. Other wise if the prospect of the EU was off the table, and the average Macedonian looked around his or her country, what is there to be positive about? There would be a rebellion if the current situation seemed like it was all you could forward to. Macedonians still believe they will enter the EU some day, unfortunately this is probably never going to happen and even if it does, it could mean more problems than solutions for Macedonia.

George S. 11-03-2015 12:20 PM

Mislat grcite nie sne kako offsi za sreizene.Ako go smenime imeto nemame noga da stojme da se vikame makedonsi.

Vangelovski 11-03-2015 10:34 PM

[quote=Gocka;163000]I think the Macedonian government benefits from the situation as well. It gives them a monster to fight against. [/quote]There might be some truth in this. It seems that every week there is an announcement that some new foreign company has opened shop somewhere in Macedonia. There have been at least six announcements like this for the Zabeni (Bitola) special industrial zone or whatever its called. Do you know how many have actually opened up? Zero. Its an empty field full of weeds.

Apparantly Struga has a Technical Industrial Development Zone - [URL]http://www.fez.gov.mk/home.html[/URL]

Do you know how many companies have opened up there? Zero. Yet another field full of weeds.

Here's a nice little map:

[url]http://www.investinmacedonia.com/investing-in-macedonia/technological-industrial-development-zones-tidzs[/url]

I wonder how many of these are actual businesses and how many exist on paper only, receiving some hefty "subsidisation" from their buddies in DPMNE?

Gocka 11-03-2015 10:56 PM

There have been 4 or 5 large companies that have opened up for real, mostly around Skopje, and I think around Strumica and Stip. The thing is that they still pay minimum wage, get all sorts of tax breaks and maybe even subsidies, in the end they are probably not worth it. Over the years. of the dozens of announcements only a handful have happened.

As far as the name negotiations go, the main reason it has never been resolved is that both Greek and Macedonian politicians use it to pander to a base. As you said Macedonia already capitulated many times, Greece still rejected, meaning there is another motive at play.

Frankly Macedonia is better off being left out of the EU. Let's see how this migrant crisis plays out, because there might not be an EU if things hit the fan.


[QUOTE=Vangelovski;163009]There might be some truth in this. It seems that every week there is an announcement that some new foreign company has opened shop somewhere in Macedonia. There have been at least six announcements like this for the Zabeni (Bitola) special industrial zone or whatever its called. Do you know how many have actually opened up? Zero. Its an empty field full of weeds.

Apparantly Struga has a Technical Industrial Development Zone - [URL]http://www.fez.gov.mk/home.html[/URL]

Do you know how many companies have opened up there? Zero. Yet another field full of weeds.

Here's a nice little map:

[url]http://www.investinmacedonia.com/investing-in-macedonia/technological-industrial-development-zones-tidzs[/url]

I wonder how many of these are actual businesses and how many exist on paper only, receiving some hefty "subsidisation" from their buddies in DPMNE?[/QUOTE]

Soldier of Macedon 11-04-2015 04:03 AM

[QUOTE=Gocka;163011]Frankly Macedonia is better off being left out of the EU. Let's see how this migrant crisis plays out, because there might not be an EU if things hit the fan.[/QUOTE]
The EU is a bureaucratic, undemocratic and bloodsucking organisation which is primarily supported by greedy politicians who hope to increase the stranglehold over their own countries. Macedonia (and the rest of Europe) is definitely better off without the EU. There must be an economic alternative which can better serve European countries.


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