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makedonin 06-19-2010 07:24 AM

[QUOTE=sf.;60043]Reading this, I got a mental image of Elmer J. Fudd trying to outwit Bugs Bunny. Just saying.[/QUOTE]

was trying to point out the stupidity of theirs.

It is not my real opinion on the issue! just for the record.

Makedonetz 06-19-2010 02:36 PM

Enough Is Enough!
 
[b]Rasmussen: bold decisions needed to resolve the dispute[/b]
[i]Unlike the notion of NATO Secretary General that there is a willingness to resolve the dispute, Gruevski said that after the last meeting with Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou has not seen a willingness on the Greek side solution[/i]

It takes courageous political decisions of all parties involved in negotiations on the name in order for Macedonia to join NATO. With such a message came yesterday in Skopje, NATO Secretary General, Anders Fogh Rasmussen. With such a message came yesterday in Skopje NATO Secretary General, Anders Fogh Rasmussen.Before the first official visit to the country, Rasmussen his account of the social network Facebook, wrote that the invitation to Macedonia for NATO membership will be activated as soon as they settle the dispute with Greece.

After the yesterday's meeting with Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski, he called for quick settlement of the dispute, without mentioning the November summit as possible to receive an invitation for membership.

We encourage Macedonia and Greece to agree and soon find a solution. Macedonia will say and repeat that it is ready to join NATO, but must resolve the name issue. Macedonia will say and repeat that it is ready to join NATO, but must resolve the name issue. We encourage both sides to continue negotiations. We encourage both sides to continue negotiations. We are pleased by the commitment of Macedonian peacekeepers in the Alliance. We are pleased by the commitment of Macedonian peacekeepers in the Alliance. Continue with the reforms and will soon be part of NATO - said Rasmussen. Continue with the reforms and will soon be part of NATO - said Rasmussen.

Unlike his impression that there is a willingness to resolve the dispute, Gruevski said that after the last meeting with Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou has not seen a willingness on the Greek side solution.If there was good will they would have had the solution - said Gruevski, who stressed that NATO remains a priority for Macedonia.

So there is no progress to resolve the name dispute, despite information in Greek media that the two sides are close to the decision which should be expected this summer, said last speakers of the Greek Deputy Foreign Minister Dimitris Drucas in the Greek Parliament. He told Greek lawmakers yesterday praised the Greek diplomacy has achieved success in recent months because it prevented the EU threat to allow commencement of negotiations with Macedonia without resolving the issue. He told Greek lawmakers yesterday praised the Greek diplomacy has achieved success in recent months because it prevented the EU threat to allowcommencement of negotiations with Macedonia without resolving the issue. This danger, according Drucas are created by the decision of the European Commission recommended the start of negotiations with the country. This danger, according Drucas are created by the decision of the European Commission recommended the start of negotiations with the country.

In the last few months we managed to make a turn. Now the pressure is not carried out on Greece, but only on the Skopje - Drucas boasts floor to the Greek Parliament. Now the pressure is not carried out on Greece, but only on the Skopje - Drucas boasts floor to the Greek Parliament.When asked by the President of LAOS party ultradesnicharskata George Karadzhaferis whether possible solution is "Republic of Vardar Macedonia" Drucas responded that is meaningless to talk about names when Gruevski is not ready for serious negotiations.
No sense and against our interests is to negotiate among themselves, when Gruevski remains stubbornly to his - he estimated.

[b][i]Drucas: Gruevski referendum hiding behind public opinion[/b][/i]

The insistence Karadzhaferis, Greece to hold a referendum on the name, address Drucas he is not afraid to take responsibility, as did Albanians.
We all know that Mr. Gruevski wants to hide behind the public opinion of his country. Systematic encourages its followers of extremism, the voters have represented our country with negative stereotypes and joyfully announces that it is against a decision and then hiding behind the verdict of the people - Drucas said. Systematic encourages its followers of extremism, the voters have represented our country with negative stereotypes and joyfully announces that it is against a decision and then hiding behind the verdict of the people - Drucas said.

[b][color=red] When is gruevski going to realize greeks are not democratic when it comes to negotiations. Clearly their wanting to drag this out just like they have done with Turkey in EU relations,[/color]

[i]"When asked by the President of LAOS party ultradesnicharskata George Karadzhaferis whether possible solution is "Republic of Vardar Macedonia" Drucas responded that is meaningless to talk about names when Gruevski is not ready for serious negotiations."[/i]

These people must be Tupani na Glavoto :6: because apparently they dont understand politics and do what they do best is pussy foot around everyhting.

makedonche 06-19-2010 09:31 PM

Quote:-
"This is a thread on "News and Politics" of the Macedonian Truth Forum, Makedonche. The fact that a Greek newspaper said something about Macedonia is both "news" and "politics" as far as I am concerned, disregarding if we support it or not."

johnMKD
This is neither news nor politics, this is a game the greeks keep playing in order to keep Macedonia suppressed. There are two ways to put this fire out - douse it with cold water or stop feeding it and it will die down.
Every time we engage in banter about this non-existent dispute we feed it, why not declare it doesn't exist, refuse to capitulate and ignore it! Instead of coming up with alternatives, suggestions, different names, different solutions - if no problem exists then no solution needs to be found! The very moment you begin to engage in any type of discussion you have become part of the problem! To say it's ok we're only talking about it gives the problem credibility- gives it a life of it's own. This problem Greece has is exactly that, Greece's problem, we need to stop feeding it and giving it credibility!


Btw - this is the macedonian truth organisation, not the Greece has got a problem forum!

Stojacanec 06-19-2010 10:58 PM

We shoud refrain from using the word dispute. Because the word dispute means at least two people have a problem.

Consider this:
If I come up with same dilluded idea that someones face is green for example and they protest to me that it is not. We are NOT in dispute, moreover I have a mental problem. The word is problem not dispute.

The Greeks have a problem with our name therefore the term of reference should be in ALL cases " The Greek Problem with our Name".

fyrOM 06-19-2010 11:27 PM

Makedonce you say [I]this is a game the Greeks keep playing in order to keep Macedonia suppressed[/I] and maybe it is but is it [I]a non-existent dispute[/I] and [I][/I]if no problem exists then no solution needs to be found[I][/I]. Then why don’t we just go to the eu or un meetings with a badge Republic of Macedonia and throw away our old badge at these forums. Oh yeah.. I remember now…last time Macedonia did this they closed the door on them. When there is empty space infront of a person he usually can walk forward but when he comes to a wall he needs a solution even if his neighboure put up the wall. I would suggest to you that to make it [I]This problem Greece has is exactly that, Greece's problem[/I] you need to discuss it as it is your problem.

johnMKD 06-20-2010 03:40 AM

It is truth that the problem should not be existent in the first place, but since it does Macedonia needs to stand out and face it. This is the major problem Macedonia is faced up these days and in fact half of the threads of this forum discuss this, fair enough. My goal was to publish this rediculous article and to bring it in everybody's attention. The name of the thread was the name of the newspaper article, and NOT my personal of course.

makedonche 06-20-2010 04:25 AM

[QUOTE=OziMak;60240]Makedonce you say [I]this is a game the Greeks keep playing in order to keep Macedonia suppressed[/I] and maybe it is but is it [I]a non-existent dispute[/I] and [I][/I]if no problem exists then no solution needs to be found[I][/I]. Then why don’t we just go to the eu or un meetings with a badge Republic of Macedonia and throw away our old badge at these forums. Oh yeah.. I remember now…last time Macedonia did this they closed the door on them. When there is empty space infront of a person he usually can walk forward but when he comes to a wall he needs a solution even if his neighboure put up the wall. I would suggest to you that to make it [I]This problem Greece has is exactly that, Greece's problem[/I] you need to discuss it as it is your problem.[/QUOTE]

OziMak
No I don't, because I don't have a problem - the greeks have a problem! I don't intend on making it my problem therefore I have no need to discuss some racist/facist ignorant countries problem by entering a debate/discussion/compromise that they have conjured up. my view is simple, I am Macedonian, my language is macedonian, my country is the Republic of Macedonia (part of it), my culture is macedonian, my religion is Macedonian- it's that simple, it's not up for discussion or negotiation or trade in return for entry into any club or association! Should you wish to negotiate your name or identity or the name of your country by all means feel free to cop it from behind, but don't come to me and bitch after you've compromised and you aren't happy with the outcome. If you don't agree with a name change then say so and stand up and fight for it!

julie 06-20-2010 04:38 AM

ABre Makedonche, taka e! :)

Vangelovski 06-20-2010 04:42 AM

[quote=OziMak;60240]Makedonce you say [I]this is a game the Greeks keep playing in order to keep Macedonia suppressed[/I] and maybe it is but is it [I]a non-existent dispute[/I] and if no problem exists then no solution needs to be found. Then why don’t we just go to the eu or un meetings with a badge Republic of Macedonia and throw away our old badge at these forums. Oh yeah.. I remember now…last time Macedonia did this they closed the door on them. When there is empty space infront of a person he usually can walk forward but when he comes to a wall he needs a solution even if his neighboure put up the wall. I would suggest to you that to make it [I]This problem Greece has is exactly that, Greece's problem[/I] you need to discuss it as it is your problem.[/quote]

OziMak,

Why? Why does Macedonia NEED to find a "solution"? WHAT do you think will happen if Macedonia does not find a "solution" and WHY?

makedonche 06-20-2010 04:50 AM

[QUOTE=johnMKD;60246]It is truth that the problem should not be existent in the first place, but since it does Macedonia needs to stand out and face it. This is the major problem Macedonia is faced up these days and in fact half of the threads of this forum discuss this, fair enough. My goal was to publish this rediculous article and to bring it in everybody's attention. The name of the thread was the name of the newspaper article, and NOT my personal of course.[/QUOTE]

johnMKD
I understand it isn'tyour view and yes it is a topic of many discussions on many threads, but are we giving it too much creedence? Would'nt we be better off discussing it as "greece's problem". and help them find a cure to thier mental dillusions


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