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Phoenix 12-17-2010 01:42 AM

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;83469]Good point Bill, there should be such a survey held in Macedonia.[/QUOTE]

Is there any homegrown movement in Macedonia that is strongly anti the negotiation process...?

Soldier of Macedon 12-17-2010 02:19 AM

Not sure Phoenix, would be good to know, although one would think we would have heard of something by now.

Phoenix 12-17-2010 02:31 AM

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;83488]Not sure Phoenix, would be good to know, although one would think we would have heard of something by now.[/QUOTE]

I reckon thats a huge part of the problem, the fact that there's no significant homegrown movements that are anti-negotiations, anti-EU and anti-NATO...the government is not under any form of popular pressure to cease any of these negotiations and is able to feed the population only its own agenda (rightly or wrongly)...thats why the AMHRC's 'no negotiations' campaign was of vital importance to raise awareness and hopefully 'influence' the growth of a different opinion amongst Macedonians in the Republic.

Bill77 12-20-2010 06:00 AM

[QUOTE=Bill77;83468] what i am concerned about, is, it does not specify if most Macedonians want to pull out of the talks! it only specifies "No name change for sake of entering EU" That could mean keep the negotiation going just don't you dare buckle and sell our name. The Government can claim Thats exactly what they currently doing (not changing our name)...

.....I would prefer a survey and people to speak out and promote the campaign by AMHRC. [/QUOTE]

Here is yet another poll :wacko:

[QUOTE] IPR POLL: POLITICAL PARTIES' RATING STEADY, PRESIDENT'S ONE IN UPWARD TREND

IPR poll: Political parties' rating steady, President's one in upward trend

Skopje, 19 December 2010 (MIA) - The ruling VMRO-DPMNE still enjoys highest rating among Macedonia's population at 23,3 % followed by opposition SDSM at 11.4%, ruling coalition partner DUI - 6,9%; opposition New Democracy 1,5 and all other bellow 1%, say the results of latest poll of the Institute for Political Research in Skopje, conducted on December 10-14 on 1.110 respondents.

The highest rating regarding the confidence in politicians belongs to VMRO-DPMNE leader Nikola Gruevski 45,9%, followed by President Gjorge Ivanov - 45,7%, Parliament Speaker Trajko Veljanoski - 39,6%, SDMS leader Branko Crvenkovski - 29,1%, DUI's Ali Ahmeti - 25%, DPA's Menduh Tachi - 13,7%.

[B]The President's position on the name dispute with Greece is approved by 53,4% of the respondents.[/B] [/QUOTE]

Again, what a useless question. It poses more misleading results and confusion rather than answers.
I wished the question posed to the respondents was,
"Do you approve with the Presidents position on continuing negotiation"

Risto the Great 12-20-2010 06:13 AM

Here is a better question:

WTF is the President's position?

George S. 12-20-2010 06:46 AM

what's needed is a spanner in the works to say hey the people have spoken we will never negotiate & will not change any name.Once greece sees that it can't achieve its task to pressure the macedonian govt then they'll slink away.

Bill77 12-20-2010 06:47 AM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;83776]Here is a better question:

WTF is the President's position?[/QUOTE]Good question. We can only guess. I would assume they are referring to Ivanov not signing away "YET" as some sort of stance.

But here are a couple of more questions.

* How many of these 53.4% respondents actually think negotiations are a waist of time and it should end? i would not be surprised if the majority think that way. Therfor, why don't they rephrase the question?

* Does this also mean that we are left with a high number of 46.6% don't agree with the President?

* What don't they agree to?

* And how many of those 46.6% found the question, a trick question and refused to answer a loose/loose situation type of a question?

Bill77 12-20-2010 06:55 AM

[QUOTE=George S.;83784]what's needed is a spanner in the works to say hey the people have spoken we will never negotiate & will not change any name.Once greece sees that it can't achieve its task to pressure the macedonian govt then they'll slink away.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately this latest poll endorses the negotiations because of the way the question was worded. Thats how i see it.

Vangelovski 12-20-2010 08:26 AM

[quote=Bill77;83785]Good question. We can only guess. I would assume they are referring to Ivanov not signing away "YET" as some sort of stance.

But here are a couple of more questions.

* How many of these 53.4% respondents actually think negotiations are a waist of time and it should end? i would not be surprised if the majority think that way. Therfor, why don't they rephrase the question?

* Does this also mean that we are left with a high number of 46.6% don't agree with the President?

* What don't they agree to?

* And how many of those 46.6% found the question, a trick question and refused to answer a loose/loose situation type of a question?[/quote]

Bill77,

Haven't you been defending Ivanov in a number of posts? Now you say you don't actually know what his position is? What were you defending up until now?

George S. 12-20-2010 09:27 AM

as rtg stated what is the presidents stand on the negotiation.Does he intend to negotiate.Is he just trying to look as if he's negotiating but not doing anything???Yes it's a trick question. that is support for ivanov is the same as support for the negotiations.It should be more direct do you approve of the negotiations on macedonia's name.???


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