[QUOTE=Jankovska;28198]This should not even be a question for Macedonians. We all know how we feel about our name and also we all know how impossible to deal with Greece is. Here are few suggestions I want to throw in, steps I think Macedonia should be taking
Facts
1) Macedonia will not enter EU while Greece is part of EU
2) Macedonia will not enter NATO while Greece is part of NATO
3) Greece will only accept a name that has nothing to do with who we are
4) This is a never ending game because I racist country wants to wipe you off the map
What should Macedonia do?
1) Our goverment should still 'play' the whole EU bullshit thing while developing friendship with: Firstly Turkey, second China, Iran etc
2) Macedonia does not need to be just friends with Turkey, Macedonia needs to develop and work on that relationship a lot. Goverment should invest in trainging facilities for Army, exchange of soldiers programes with Turkey
3) Allow and build Turkish Army bases in Macedonia, south Macedonia
4)Develop the economy market more and offer Turkey our products first before offering them to anyone else
5) Start building relationships with Iran, country we have not been friends with since the time of Philip. Use IRan to keep our Muslim population under control
6) Greece will start sensing Turkey's aim and would cry even more to the EU
7) The EU will start getting cold feet about letting spoilt cry baby Greece do whatever the fuck they want, afterall the EU can not afford to get Turkey angry. America will never allow this, because without Turkey's friendship america is nothing in the Middle East
8) Turkey would take any opportunty to demonstrate force to Greece and I think they will take the offer straigh away
9) The EU will have no choice but to eaither start putting pressure on Greece or will face fucking off Turkey and pretty much the whole Muslim world.
THe Macedonian goverment should start making friendships, signing agreements with countries, providing base for protection. Why the fuck are we still blindly following the EU. WHy not look for friends somewhere else?[/QUOTE]

I totally agree with everything you have stated here, Jankovska, pity we dont have this mind set with our leaders in the Republic

[QUOTE=George S.;26136]Who gives a RATZ about the union we should tell them to fuck off with their crap.[/QUOTE]

absolutely George. I wonder how other countries would fare being told to change their rightful name for entry into the bullshit entity. I don't comprehend the absurdity of what the hell is going on in their minds , this notion of gaining entry into the EU, wow, they really promote equity and diversity and human rights dont they. Its a joke. And its on us, the Macedonians.

[QUOTE=julie;28206]Lies? my family's blood spilled for one name Macedonia. Whoever you are, you have no idea , you are so brainwashed and indoctrinated with hatred and contempt for my people, how dare you be so insulting, go back to where you came from grko man[/QUOTE]

Your family isnt the only one Julie.
Thats the problem...

In any case i never insulted or undermined any person's suffering. So dont go there...

[QUOTE=julie;28207]I totally agree with everything you have stated here, Jankovska, pity we dont have this mind set with our leaders in the Republic[/QUOTE]

yeah..great idea. Lets be Turkey's lapdog and develop relations with Iran. There you go... now there is an idea.

Too bad all you ppl advocating this live in the diaspora while your fellow macedonians cant even get a job. Great idea guys...

Instead of creating conditions to be allies with Greece you ppl focus on being the blacksheep of the balkans. I feel sorry for you ppl...

[QUOTE=chicagoan;28211]yeah..great idea. Lets be Turkey's lapdog and develop relations with Iran. There you go... now there is an idea.

Too bad all you ppl advocating this live in the diaspora while your fellow macedonians cant even get a job. Great idea guys...

Instead of creating conditions to be allies with Greece you ppl focus on being the blacksheep of the balkans. I feel sorry for you ppl...[/QUOTE]


allies with Greece.

Is that in the "democratic" sense?
Interesting concept, this term allies. Imagine that.
Get real
Greece will never have any form of allegiance with Macedonia.
Allegiance - that is an interesting term , is it not? The democratic (what a joke and a farce ) country that Greece is, having an allegiance.
They would be shitting bricks if Macedonia had an allegiance with Turkey. Turkey recognises Macedonia. Turkey can then take over Hell Ass and let Greece cry foul then.
Because Aegean Macedonia ( I know you despise that term, but that is what it is) feeds HellAss , and the little piece of so called Grease that is left would be Turkish Delight
That is the Greeks fear
And wouldnt that be karma in the nicest possible way

Tell someone that cares

Jankovska, You go to stari kraj yet you refuse to visit Ohrid i dont understand?? When you go to see your family in the summer dont you head down to Ohird for the weekend??

Maybe if the people in Australia can take over their superannuation which they can collect after they turn 55 instead of waiting till they turn 67 when the new law takes place. In order to get a Government pension in Australia you need to be a prosjak pretty much have no money and own one property. If you have extra funds you have to spend them or sell off what you own in order to qualify, even in Macedonia people will struggle with an Australian Pension because it wont take long before the standard in Macedonia rises just like it has already risen in Croatia. When Macedonia converts to the Euro it will be worse.

[QUOTE=chicagoan;28210]Your family isnt the only one Julie.
Thats the problem...

In any case i never insulted or undermined any person's suffering. So dont go there...[/QUOTE]

thank you for not undermining our suffering.
You undermined George when you inferred we "believe" what we are told.
My uncle carries scars, a bullet lodged behind his eye which could not be removed as its in his skull. my beautiful Vuyce who they tortured as a 13 year old .
yes, I guess he "believed" because he was being lied to
I find your manner insulting to people on this forum.

[QUOTE]I was in Northern Greece when their so called army came & the Macedonian villagers baricaded themselves[/QUOTE]

Gjorgjija, There were some injuries, was there an exchange of tupajnci with the Greek Army? People were arrested too and the Golden Dawn was there.

It seems like we have some German MP's on our side.

[QUOTE]Use of name Macedonia caused a heated discussion late Wednesday at the European Parliament plenary session.

German MEP Bernd Posselt opposed Greek deputy Nikolaos Salavrakos, who asked MEPs not to use name Macedonia but the interim reference.

"Macedonia is Macedonia and will remain Macedonia. These discussions will certainly not help the neighboring country", said Posselt, reminding on the similar stance of Greens leader Daniel Cohn-Bendit.

Deutsche Welle-Macedonian Program reported that Posselt earlier asked for mitigation of the wording used in the resolution, which includes too much accusations towards Macedonia when referring to bilateral good neighborly relations, since "it is not the only country responsible".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=julie;28214]thank you for not undermining our suffering.
You undermined George when you inferred we "believe" what we are told.
My uncle carries scars, a bullet lodged behind his eye which could not be removed as its in his skull. my beautiful Vuyce who they tortured as a 13 year old .
yes, I guess he "believed" because he was being lied to
I find your manner insulting to people on this forum.[/QUOTE]

I dispute George's historical version of events. Thats what I dispute. I dont dispute ppl's suffereings. There is a fine line between the two.

Again, your family isnt the only one with battlescars. Are you saying this happened by the Greek forces ? Was it the civil war ? What events are you referring to ?