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Soldier of Macedon 02-02-2019 12:43 AM

[QUOTE=Gocka;178991]This has a million ways it can fail. So we shouldn't give up hope just yet.[/QUOTE]
Despite the little optimism left, I want to agree. It is also why I think this so-called "agreement" could bring instability to the region, which, contrary to its apparent intention, is exactly what Macedonia needs in some form to turn the course away from the impending disaster.

Carlin 02-02-2019 09:04 AM

Macedonians and Macchiato, by Mark Steyn
[I]Steyn on the Oakley Show[/I]
January 31, 2019


Go to the link and click play - start listening at minute [B]3:45[/B] (it's basically from 3:45 until 4:40):

[COLOR="Blue"][B]"In order to be able to join the European Union Macedonia had to rename itself as blueberry muffin with side order of green cheese"[/B][/COLOR] :28:



Carlin 02-03-2019 04:34 PM

[B]Firms with Macedonia-related names need to clinch rights[/B]


The name “Macedonia” features in various forms in the brands of 182 Greek businesses across all sectors – with 39 in the food and agricultural sector – while over 4,000 businesses use the term to describe one or more of their products. The ratification of the Prespes deal between Athens and Skopje has raised questions about what the future hold for them.

Of foremost concern is the fact that [B]entrepreneurs in Macedonia will have the right to use this name too[/B], calling for a constructive dialogue on the regulations that will be required and agreed.

The lack of clarity concerning the key details of this issue is prompting experts advise Greek businesses to secure the rights to their logos and names, according to existing European and international procedures. The commercial chambers in northern Greece have already started taking action, offering legal advice and assistance.

The deal, however, will not affect products with a protected Designated of Origin (POP) or Geographical Indicator (PGE), as their names cannot be disputed since they have been determined via the provisions, terms and decisions of the European Union.

The Prespes agreement includes a key provision on commercial names. Article 1, Paragraph 3 says that as far as trademarks and brand names are concerned, the two sides “agree to support and encourage their business communities to institutionalize a structured and in good faith dialogue, in the context of which [they] will seek and reach mutually acceptable solutions on the issues deriving from the commercial names, trademarks, the brand names and all relevant matters at bilateral and international level.”

The agreement also provides for the creation of an international team of experts within the year that will consist of representatives of both states and will have three years, until 2022, to complete its work. This provision possibly means that many name and trademark issues will be addressed from the start. Even if this is the case, legal experts told Kathimerini businesses which have secured air-tight protection for their trademarks and commercial names will be in a much better position, regardless of the final decisions of the international team of experts.

Carlin 02-03-2019 09:42 PM

Viewpoints of average Greek citizens. Melville–Jones is a "moderate" in comparison.


[SIZE="3"][B]YOUR SAY: Is the Prespes Agreement really a resolution of the long-standing name dispute?[/B][/SIZE]

4 February 2019

Our readers responded to the plethora of articles and opinion pieces showing different aspects of the long-standing name dispute, including a plethora of opinions. We were inundated with messages on social media. Here’s a sample of what you, our readers, had to say:


Brady Kiesling, respectfully, I do not agree with your stance. Please read some more on the history of Macedonia, then you may realise that revisionist history and usurping another’s history is not moral nor “common sense”.

Stelios Shizas

I’m very interested in the comment “beneficial to both countries”. I can only see benefits to FYROM and cannot see how Greece has benefitted from this very unpopular agreement. Instead of looking at how this small country got named Macedonia in the first place we are lectured as to what a good decision this agreement is. Why weren’t they called South Serbia or West Albania? Macedonia is Greek and please don’t argue they are to be called “North”. The North will disappear very soon if it has not already done so. In the first sentence the professor talks of a statue of Alexander the Great being erected in Skopje… Why professor? What have Alexander and the Skopjians got in common? Nothing at all!! His article is so “sitting on the fence” that it’s laughable….but what do we expect from a Melville – Jones, go back to our Greece’s long and golden history professor and get your facts right. There is one Macedonia and it is in northern Greece where Alexander was born. FYROM is not Macedonia… It never was and it never will be!!!

Anthoula Paraskeva

You know I have never paid much attention to this. Throughout my youth I had friends that were Slav Macedonian. A couple if weeks ago I was flipping through channels on TV and channel 44. Macedonian program was scheduled, I stopped flipping because I thought it was Greek as they were depicting Greek sights from Thessaloniki e.g. Leuko Pirgo, the show wax not Greek, but Slav Macedonian. The fact that they were depicting Greek Macedonian landmarks anger me so much.

Sophie Ellis Manis

Read the articles that have been imposed on them. I don’t understand why people are still angry. We are getting all these concessions for the price of withdrawing a veto. As much as we deny it, their name since 1992 was the Republic of Macedonia. Now it will be called the Republic of North Macedonia. Why weren’t people angry when they were given the name FYRO Macedonia? What exactly has changed?

Steve Mitsos

Steve Mitsos the veto was our only remaining bargaining chip. Do you understand this? It has now been thrown away. Their nationality, language, and identity is now officially Macedonian (even in Greece) and mine is not. The fact they reluctantly acknowledge it as ‘different to ancient greek’ means jack to me. The world will forever be confused into thinking they are the only Macedonians, solely because we have given up the fight.
And if you think we weren’t angry with the INTERIM name of FYROM, then I believe you have not seen the many rallies and protests organised throughout the past 30 years. Again, this problem should’ve been solved back in 1992 with a phone call to Milosevic.

Adam Edessa
We are not happy because officially the Greek government and everyone else will recognise their nationality and language as Macedonian which was never the case before!

Stavros Karakoutas

Steve Mitsos, what has changed is the Greek Government has signed an agreement that says: Country: Nth Macedonia; Language: Macedonian; Ethnicity: Macedonian. There never was a Macedonian language or country. Their second language is Albanian .It doesn’t matter how many countries recognise them as FYROM . Greece gave them what they where wanting for years our recognition We have sold out our identity and our history. Macedonia is Greece , not a country that consists of 40 per cent Albanians, 30 per cent Bulgarian, 20 per cent Serbs and 10 per cent gypsies and Turks. This will open up a can of worms with regards to Greek businesses, Μακεδονικός Χαλβάς etc and now some of them want to claim compensation against Greece and it’s only going to get worse what’s next? Θράκη, Ήπειρος, Δωδεκανήσα. I am from Thessaloniki, so now I am Greek from the region of South Macedonia.

Ioannis Mylonas

Steve Mitsos okay so forget 3000 years of Μακεδονία and Greek history and legacy of the Hellenistic world after Alexander’s empire.
Change your name Steve, let your neighbour use your name.
Forget the blood that was spilt during the Balkan wars to free Μακεδονία from the Komitadji Bulgarians and Ottomans. Why do they claim Μακεδονία when 100 years ago that region was called Vardaska? The whole pseudo state naming of Macedonia in former Yugoslav territory had one objective… to annex our Μακεδονία and gain access to the Aegean.
Slavs that erect Greek warrior statues in their capital city, use Greek symbols Star or Vergina, claim to be descendants of Ancient Μακεδονη.
Already they are talking about a Southern Macedonia province with ‘ethnic” Macedonians which is complete crap!! The Slavic people that reside in Μακεδονία today in places pike Φλορινα or Καστοριά claim this crap! Yet they are Slavs, left there by the Greek army or government and should have been given their marching orders into Yugoslavia like most of them at the time.
Why can’t they accept there Slavic roots and call themselves something else?

Stavros Symbonis

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Soldier of Macedon 02-03-2019 09:46 PM

[QUOTE=Carlin15;179069]Viewpoints of average Greek citizens. Melville–Jones is a "moderate" in comparison.[/QUOTE]
Carlin, why do you keep posting this anti-Macedonian trash like we aren't all aware what these animals think of us already? We get it, Melville-Jones and average Greek citizens hate us. I don't see what value there is by repeatedly giving them a platform here.

Risto the Great 02-03-2019 09:49 PM

Most of it is fine. But this last one is just a bunch of Griks in a bouzoukia having a moan.

Soldier of Macedon 02-03-2019 09:52 PM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;179073]Most of it is fine.[/QUOTE]
Most of what? If one is to post rubbish like that then they should at least challenge it.

Risto the Great 02-03-2019 10:15 PM

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;179074]Most of what?[/QUOTE]Most of Carlin's posts.

Soldier of Macedon 02-03-2019 10:32 PM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;179075]Most of Carlin's posts.[/QUOTE]
I am referring to the last few. Didn't mention anything about the others.

Carlin 02-03-2019 10:38 PM

No prob I get your drift

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