[QUOTE=Phoenix;178964]It’s so funny to hear from the greeks that they expect “good will” from the Macedonian side in honouring the agreement...lol[/QUOTE]
They don't need goodwill from Macedonia. They have Macedonia bent over and tied up. All they have to do now is decide whether they want to rape Macedonia for enjoyment or punishment or both.

Wasn't he calling Macedonia "this land"?

I don't know if Zaev read the agreement before he signed it, but he is now a "Macedonian/Citizen of the Republic of North Macedonia". The words following the slash are not optional, they are integral to the name of the people.

Conversely, if he thinks he's some sort of genius and all he did was negotiate the 'nationality/citizenship' of the state and not the ethnicity of the people, then he's in for a rude shock. The agreement is broad and vague enough to incorporate both. Our own identity is built on the premise that our nationality/citizenship and ethnicity are one and the same. Greece will insist on the term "Macedonian/Citizen of the Republic of North Macedonia" and the EU will enforce it.

Another tactical failure in the so-called "great game" being "played" by our "eminent statesmen". In reality, Timmy just lost another marble and he's got snot running down his nose.

I don't think Zaev is naive or ignorant about what the prespa agreement demands of him and Macedonia. I think a a good portion of the Macedonian people are naive and ignorant. Because of that he has to play a balancing act for as long as he can. He can't do it forever. At some point he will have to stop saying Macedonia and people will notice.

I actually have hope. This whole circus doesn't have a snowflake's chance in hell of being successfully implemented and maintained. It's too broad and overreaching. Even our pathetic lot will eventually realize that. Nothing like this has ever been attempted, do we really believe Macedonians and Greeks of all people can accomplish this?

This is the honeymoon period, where both parties keep patting themselves on the back. When the reality of it all sets in they will be back to square one in no time.

The only question for me is what happens when it all unravels.

[QUOTE=Gocka;178979]...The only question for me is what happens when it all unravels.[/QUOTE]

On one hand you have the greeks who believe that they have an ironclad agreement and expect it to be followed to the letter...on the other hand you have the Macedonians who are to be socially reengineered by said agreement into a totally different organism and that this will miraculously materialise 7 days after the greek parliament ratifies Macedonia's NATO membership process...

What could possibly go wrong.............................................................?

So many idiot politicians and journalists from the West keep suggesting that this will bring stability to the Balkans, when it may have the opposite effect, if there are enough people in Macedonia whose integrity will be slapped into action when this demeaning set of circumstances comes to a full realisation.

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;178985]So many idiot politicians and journalists from the West keep suggesting that this will bring stability to the Balkans, when it may have the opposite effect, if there are enough people in Macedonia whose integrity will be slapped into action when this demeaning set of circumstances comes to a full realisation.[/QUOTE]Like the Interim Accord and Framework Agreement before it brought stability..

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;178985][B]if there are enough people in Macedonia [/B]whose integrity will be slapped into action when this demeaning set of circumstances comes to a full realisation.[/QUOTE]
I know him.

A potentially destabilizing factor is the "[I]Joint Inter-Disciplinary Committee of Experts on historic, archaeological and educational matters[/I]". I'm expecting that, depending on how badly the Greek government is doing in the polls, they will be asking the Macedonian side to make further concessions. Probably, as a means to divert the masses away from incompetence/corruption/scandals..

[QUOTE=Phoenix;178983]On one hand you have the greeks who believe that they have an ironclad agreement and expect it to be followed to the letter...on the other hand you have the Macedonians who are to be socially reengineered by said agreement into a totally different organism and that this will miraculously materialise 7 days after the greek parliament ratifies Macedonia's NATO membership process...

What could possibly go wrong.............................................................?[/QUOTE]


Exactly.

Lets put aside the resentment we feel for a second and look at this rationally.

This agreement requires the whole country to change within a short period of time. Think about how much turmoil even a handful of individuals can cause. A single professor refusing to teach the new curriculum, a single business refusing to change its packaging or labels, a single public officials refusing to refer to the country by its new name. What about even individual small business owners and citizens who fly the old flag or use our rightful name.

What is the government of NMK going to do to enforce these changes domestically? Throw people in jail? Even people who are for a name change probably can't stomach their friends and family being beaten or thrown in prison for calling themselves Macedonians.

Yugoslavia had 50+ to make everyone Yugoslavs and they never convinced a majority of it. One generation after its demise and "Yugoslavians" are gone as an ethnic group. Even if this new endeavor is to succeed, it will take a generation or two of none stop brainwashing to make it happen.

What happens if administrations change? This has a million ways it can fail. So we shouldn't give up hope just yet.

This is so easy to fight against because it is so overt and unavoidable. For once we have s battle that even a handful of people can fight and win. Like I said before this is the honeymoon phase. Both parties are willing to let a lot of things go for now. What happens in a year or two?

The breakdown point is going to be when the NMK government is faced with its first few cases of dissent. This is agreement is so absurd that it is unenforceable other than through barbaric means.

Either the NMK government cracks down hard or the Greek government deems the agreement broken. Either way it all breaks down.

To all those Macedonians who might be reading along, don't give up, this is easy to fix. Just refuse to play along and it will all collapse.

[QUOTE=YuriB;178990]A potentially destabilizing factor is the "[I]Joint Inter-Disciplinary Committee of Experts on historic, archaeological and educational matters[/I]". I'm expecting that, depending on how badly the Greek government is doing in the polls, they will be asking the Macedonian side to make further concessions. Probably, as a means to divert the masses away from incompetence/corruption/scandals..[/QUOTE]

I don't see how this could be a problem. Zaev will be happy to agree to anything