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vicsinad 01-25-2019 08:39 AM

Cannot blame the Greeks for this vote. And the Macedonians are weak and showed it in this capitulation. However, I still will forever hold Greece responsible for continuing on its rampage to exterminate the Macedonians, whether it was by force or political blackmail.

Not absolving Macedonians of responsibility for remaining apathetic and clueless. But I'm not forgetting who has been behind this: Greek chauvinists.

Gocka 01-25-2019 11:03 AM

The fact that Greece was able to ratify this, in and of itself is proof of how big of a capitulation we have made.

Step back for a second and remember how hard-line Greece's position towards us has been. They committed genocide against us. They ethnically cleaned our people of their language and culture. They contended that we do not exist.

The same group of people who believe the above and who committed those acts, thought this was a good deal. Even the protests were muted. This tells you everything you need to know about who won here.

What our pathetic lot doesn't understand is that Greece can still veto us. And when they do at some point 15 years down the road, those cowards can take their "agreement" and wipe their ass with it.

The only recourse NMK will have is to sue them in the ICJ, sound familiar? They have already made an agreement with Greece to allow Macedonia into NATO and the EU. We changed our name and flag, then Greece vetoed us anyway. Then we sued them in the ICJ, won, and here we are again making another "agreement" that will lead us back in the same circle.

FUCKING IDIOTS!

Pelagonija 01-25-2019 03:56 PM

Donít worry, on a side note we are now safe by joining NATO.

Personally Iím perplexed by the current scenario. I donít plan on ever stepping a foot in that gay hell hole ever again.. I simply just canít relate.

I hope the Albanians and gypsies take over the place, they deserve it.

Risto the Great 01-25-2019 05:19 PM

[QUOTE=Pelagonija;178731]Donít worry, on a side note we are now safe by joining NATO.

Personally Iím perplexed by the current scenario. I donít plan on ever stepping a foot in that gay hell hole ever again.. I simply just canít relate.

I hope the Albanians and gypsies take over the place, they deserve it.[/QUOTE]

The difference between this capitulation and the previous FYROM capitulation is that the apathetic and pathetic hush that was all over Macedonia this time means full acceptance of the new name and associated conditions in ALL situations.

Where previously some deluded Macedonians were offended by the name FYROM and tried to banish its use around the world (notwithstanding the Republic was actively identifying as such). This time, there is no choice whatsoever and the only real Macedonians are us in the Diaspora.

Out of curiosity I am wondering what those from (former) Macedonia will call themselves in the Diaspora now on legal documents. I suspect it will be Former Macedonia.

Rogi 01-25-2019 06:32 PM

My wife is from Aegean Macedonia, I am from the Republic of Macedonia. Now, after this agreement, what does that make my 1 year old son, who is not a citizen of those countries? Half non-existent, half-nameless?
It's that which I will never forgive and vow to resolve.

Carlin 01-25-2019 06:58 PM

[COLOR="Red"][B]SYRIZA member of Parliament explains how half of Macedonia became Greek[/B][/COLOR]

URL:
[url]https://english.republika.mk/news/macedonia/syriza-member-of-parliament-explains-how-half-of-macedonia-became-greek/[/url]

During the heated debate on the ratification of the deal to rename Macedonia, [B]Nikos Filis from the Greek ruling SYRIZA party[/B] said that when Greece first captured this region in 1912, it was majority ethnic Macedonian and was ethnically cleansed throughout the decades to make it Greek. [B]Filis, who is known for his outspoken views and for poking holes in the Greek nation building myth[/B], was responding to nationalist protesters in front of the Parliament building who were chanting “Macedonia is one and it is Greek”.

[B][COLOR="Blue"][I]Macedonia is not one and Greek. There are several Macedonias. The other Macedonia is defined with the Bucharest treaty which bears our, Greek signature. When we hear the chant “Macedonia is one and it is Greek” it is seen as irredentism, as disrespect for the international treaties by our country. Maybe it doesn’t sound too good but it is the truth. Greek Macedonia is Greek, and let me clarify, it was MADE Greek, because until 1912/1913 and 1921/1922, when the refugees came, there was no Greek majority in Macedonia – only in some regions in the south. So it was made Greek by a population exchange and through all the difficult events we and the other peoples from the region went through. So who are we kidding when we say “Macedonia is one and it is Greek?” Only ourselves, Filis said.[/I][/COLOR][/B]

Greece captured about a half of the region of Macedonia in 1912, when fighting the Ottomans and kept it through the Second Balkan War in 1913, and many Macedonians were expelled in the process and afterwards. After its defeat to Turkey in 1921, hundreds of thousands of Greek refugees were settled in this part of Macedonia, dramatically changing its ethnic make-up, along with decades of bans on the use of the Macedonian language for the remaining Macedonians.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/hfNbiyI.jpg[/img]

Risto the Great 01-25-2019 07:17 PM

[QUOTE=Rogi;178735]My wife is from Aegean Macedonia, I am from the Republic of Macedonia. Now, after this agreement, what does that make my 1 year old son, who is not a citizen of those countries? Half non-existent, half-nameless?
It's that which I will never forgive and vow to resolve.[/QUOTE]
Technically, your child is half Macedonian. The other half, well ... that's a moving target.

Risto the Great 01-25-2019 07:19 PM

[QUOTE=Carlin15;178736][COLOR="Red"][B]SYRIZA member of Parliament explains how half of Macedonia became Greek[/B][/COLOR]

URL:
[url]https://english.republika.mk/news/macedonia/syriza-member-of-parliament-explains-how-half-of-macedonia-became-greek/[/url]

During the heated debate on the ratification of the deal to rename Macedonia, [B]Nikos Filis from the Greek ruling SYRIZA party[/B] said that when Greece first captured this region in 1912, it was majority ethnic Macedonian and was ethnically cleansed throughout the decades to make it Greek. [B]Filis, who is known for his outspoken views and for poking holes in the Greek nation building myth[/B], was responding to nationalist protesters in front of the Parliament building who were chanting ďMacedonia is one and it is GreekĒ.

[B][COLOR="Blue"][I]Macedonia is not one and Greek. There are several Macedonias. The other Macedonia is defined with the Bucharest treaty which bears our, Greek signature. When we hear the chant ďMacedonia is one and it is GreekĒ it is seen as irredentism, as disrespect for the international treaties by our country. Maybe it doesnít sound too good but it is the truth. Greek Macedonia is Greek, and let me clarify, it was MADE Greek, because until 1912/1913 and 1921/1922, when the refugees came, there was no Greek majority in Macedonia Ė only in some regions in the south. So it was made Greek by a population exchange and through all the difficult events we and the other peoples from the region went through. So who are we kidding when we say ďMacedonia is one and it is Greek?Ē Only ourselves, Filis said.[/I][/COLOR][/B]

Greece captured about a half of the region of Macedonia in 1912, when fighting the Ottomans and kept it through the Second Balkan War in 1913, and many Macedonians were expelled in the process and afterwards. After its defeat to Turkey in 1921, hundreds of thousands of Greek refugees were settled in this part of Macedonia, dramatically changing its ethnic make-up, along with decades of bans on the use of the Macedonian language for the remaining Macedonians.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/hfNbiyI.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
The only truth revealed in this shameful process.

vicsinad 01-25-2019 07:25 PM

[QUOTE=Rogi;178735]My wife is from Aegean Macedonia, I am from the Republic of Macedonia. Now, after this agreement, what does that make my 1 year old son, who is not a citizen of those countries? Half non-existent, half-nameless?
It's that which I will never forgive and vow to resolve.[/QUOTE]

100% Macedonian. Let's not let others define who we are. We are still in control of our identity, culture and community in the Diaspora. We either can choose to protect, preserve and promote it, or not. It's up to us, not anybody else.

Carlin 01-25-2019 10:26 PM

[img]https://i.imgur.com/xXthDHX.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/M5GF3Rv.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/4rcAPfF.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/rv8McOg.jpg[/img]

[B]Да не постоеше ПЈРМ, ќе требаше да ја измислиме[/B]

"Се смеат во Европа. Ви го кажувам тоа директно. Дали ПЈРМ е закана за Грција? Се смеат тие што го слушаат. Земја која, речиси нема војска и има 7 отсто од грчкиот БДП. Нејзината поделба ја сакаат за Голема Албанија и Голема Турција. Моето мислење е и да не постоеше ПЈРМ, ќе требаше да ја измислиме. Само добро има да ѝ понуди на земјата.

Не треба да се заборави дека „буквата „М“ во ПЈРМ значи Македонија, бидејќи некои се преправаат дека не го знаат или не го слушаат тоа."

[I]Танасис Папахристопулос, пратеник во грчкиот парламент, од партијата „Независни Грци“; МИА, 23.01.19.[/I]


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