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Risto the Great 01-14-2019 05:42 PM

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;178468] The only authority it has is to act as an official repository (depository?) [/QUOTE]

Vangelovski 01-14-2019 05:52 PM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;178469]Suppository?[/QUOTE]That's it - that's the word I was looking for.

Gocka 01-14-2019 05:59 PM

[QUOTE=vicsinad;178461]The 2/3 majority in Macedonia's parliament voted to not implement the constitutional changes if Greece does not ratify it.

Where did you get this from? I totally missed it in reporting.

vicsinad 01-14-2019 06:01 PM

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;178468]I know I'm always that guy, the one going around telling everyone that they're wrong, but you're wrong on the UN thing.

The UN has no authority to determine the contents of international agreements - those made between sovereign states. The only authority it has is to act as an official repository (depository?) if the parties to these agreements choose to register these agreements with the UN and only for the purpose of invoking those agreements within the UN. For example, when Macedonia sued Greece in the international court of justice to enforce its name FYROM.

If you read Security Council Resolutions 817 and 845 you'll see there's a lot of urging, a lot of noting, a lot of welcoming and a lot of recommending. But there is no directing anyone to do anything or authorising any UN organ to make any decision about anything. That is because it does not have the authority to do so.

The most Russia can do is huff and puff and spread false hope for patriots and fear for fyromanians.

Its all an interesting conversation, but nothing more.[/QUOTE]

I think you're being too generous with the reading of SC Res. 845. It's almost bewildering that Russia even made the argument that the SC Res. 845 gives them the authority to resolve this in the UNSC.

Still, I'll take this illegitimate albeit creative attempt by Russia to make a stink over the inaction of the supposed Macedonian patriots.

vicsinad 01-14-2019 06:03 PM

[QUOTE=Gocka;178474]Where did you get this from? I totally missed it in reporting.[/QUOTE]

It came as an amendment from 8 DPNE members that defected DPNE. I don't have the link at hand but I've read it in multiple articles that this was what was introduced and accepted.

Gocka 01-14-2019 06:13 PM

[QUOTE=vicsinad;178477]It came as an amendment from 8 DPNE members that defected DPNE. I don't have the link at hand but I've read it in multiple articles that this was what was introduced and accepted.[/QUOTE]

Interesting. Is it automatic or does it require some kind of action from parliament?

Vangelovski 01-14-2019 06:41 PM

[QUOTE=vicsinad;178477]It came as an amendment from 8 DPNE members that defected DPNE. I don't have the link at hand but I've read it in multiple articles that this was what was introduced and accepted.[/QUOTE]Its among the amendments you posted for me the other day. It says that the amendments to the constitution (implementing the prespa agreement) go into effect only once Greece ratifies the agreement. But I don't remember reading that they are time limited. Greece could theoretically ratify the agreement in 10 years time and Macedonia will automatically revert from fyrom to North Macedonia. Ironically, should Macedonia actually end the negotiations and move on from this sordid affair, Greece could ratify the prespa agreement and Macedonia would end up with the taste of butt in its mouth...again. It would have to amend the amendments.

Who still thinks governments are qualified to run our lives?

Carlin 01-14-2019 07:38 PM

Greek Foreign Ministry issues strongly worded response to Moscow


The Greek Foreign Ministry has dismissed Moscow’s criticism of the deal to resolve the name dispute between Greece and Macedonia as tantamount to meddling in Greece’s affairs.

In a statement earlier Monday, the Russian Foreign Ministry said the deal was a Western plot to draw the Balkan country into the NATO security alliance.

In response, the Greek Foreign Ministry said the Russian Foreign Ministry’s decision to cite political developments in countries which enjoy friendly relations with Moscow is “incompatible” with Greek-Russian bilateral ties and the long-standing bonds of friendship between the two peoples.

The ministry went on to say that legitimate concerns are raised as the Russian Foreign Ministry statement overlooks the democratic functioning of institutions in Greece, whose constitution has clear provisions for dealing with anything that impacts the country’s internal political order.

Last week, RoM lawmakers ratified the deal under which the country will be renamed Republic of North Macedonia. The deal, which has met with fierce opposition in both countries, also needs to be ratified by the Greek Parliament.

“The decision by Macedonia’s Parliament, which voted in favor of changing the country’s name, has been imposed from outside and does not reflect the will of the people,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

“It is clear that there is an ongoing process imposed from outside which is aimed at changing the country’s name in an artificial way with the ultimate goal of forcefully inducting Skopje into NATO. This is taking place in violation of Macedonian law,” the ministry said, adding that President Gjorge Ivanov and the majority of the country’s population were against the agreement.

Moscow plans to refer the issue to the United Nations Security Council.

Carlin 01-14-2019 07:55 PM

[B]North Macedonia and Sad Serbia, Mijat Lakićević[/B]


The meeting between Vladimir Putin and Aleksandar Vucic will be a meeting of two losers. Because both of them were defeated in Skopje the other day. But let's start from the beginning.

The news that the Macedonian Parliament adopted the new name of the state - North Macedonia, was welcomed in Serbia with torment. This, in fact, is just a little bit changed sentence that I started the text about half a year ago when the presidents of Macedonia and Greece, Zaev and Tsipras achieved this undoubtedly historic agreement.

For no one in Serbia at that time - neither the "position" nor the opposition, the independent media or the NGOs - did not only not publicly approve this act, but it did not even record it. Like then, same today. And Zaev also showed political courage and political farsightedness, and in particular the sense of political leadership - this is true for Tsipras, but he is not so important for this story - that is, the ability to take responsibility at the key moments of national history. All that, therefore, from Djindjic was not shown by anyone on the political scene of Serbia, on which side of the spectrum he was and in which role he was in that scene.

Here all eyes are on Putin. Which is not a small thing, in Macedonia he suffered a serious defeat. All the available forces, to recall, he hired to prevent this peace agreement - first by working openly for the benefit of Gruevski, and against Zaev - and when the agreement was reached, he said he would not recognize it.

It is not, however, a problem that the approvals of Zaev was not directed by the Serbian authorities, but not by our opposition either. Although this, in fact, is not something odd. Because, while current Foreign Minister Ivica Dacic states that Serbia has made a mistake of recognizing Macedonia, Vuk Jeremic, the former foreign minister and current leader of the opposition, did not even want to speak the name of Macedonia - he said: "the state whose capital is Skopje".

However, Skopje will soon become the capital of a NATO state. Which is a "fast track" for joining the European Union. And even if the EU falls apart - which another opposition leader, Bosko Obradovic, dreams of - NATO will not fall apart. Especially in this case it will not. On the contrary, it will strengthen even more. What will underline - now neglected - is its political dimension. From which of course, the economic consequences will arise.

As a rule, they are not seen immediately, but only for a decade or two, sometimes longer. So now we can see how wrong the choice of the 90s cost us. And where were Serbia and Bulgaria long time ago, for example, and where they are today.

[I]Who you're with - you are the same as that person[/I], that's what our people say.

Pešč, 14.01.2019.

Vangelovski 01-14-2019 07:57 PM

I haven't checked the weather today - is it raining euro's over there yet?

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