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Amphipolis 09-30-2018 01:01 PM

Panos Kamenos disagrees:
"When I spoke about the failure of the referendum, they blamed me; now for this participation on the basis of Articles 73, 74 of their Constitution, it is invalid and 68% of the citizens canceled the deal. Kyriakos Mitsotakis should apologize for wanting to stop the prosperity of the Greeks and the government"

JPMKD 09-30-2018 01:06 PM

[QUOTE=Niko777;176807]Zaev basically said this: declared victory, counting on DPMNE deputies to go forward with the constitutional changes, or the country will head towards early elections[/QUOTE]

Dammit. So the turnout is low but "yes" won? People on this site had it right, some predicted exactly this if the turnout was below 50%. By early elections, does he mean a new parliamentary coalition or would he be trying to oust Ivanov?


EDIT: I agree with nushevski77 above! WTF indeed.

Amphipolis 09-30-2018 01:15 PM

[QUOTE=nushevski77;176811]so does this mean that the greek government has decided to stop the prespa agreement or will they look for other avenues for name negotiations?[/QUOTE]

Kamenos never backed up the Prespa Agreement.

It's very early to expect a reaction from Tsipras.

Gocka 09-30-2018 01:16 PM

The bloated voter lists finally came back to bite them in the ass. They got 600,000 voters which is probably close to 50% of actual residents. Most Albanian dominated areas didn't hit 50%. Big questions need to be asked of how many people especially Albanians really live in Macedonia

Amphipolis 09-30-2018 01:21 PM

[QUOTE=nushevski77;176815]oh okay thanks, what would you expect tsipras's reaction/statement to be?[/QUOTE]

LOL I wouldn't bet, but your PM has totally lost it.

Amphipolis 09-30-2018 01:28 PM

BTW is there an official site with live results?

Amphipolis 09-30-2018 02:04 PM

Greek Foreign Affairs Ministry (google translation)

Greece is closely following developments in the friendly country of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. He remains committed to the Prespa agreement.

The result of the referendum in the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, advisory and not part of the binding terms of the Prespa agreement, is contradictory. Great supremacy of "Yes", but without the corresponding participation. A large part of the neighboring country's society supported the agreement. However, a significant part of it faced it with skepticism. Greece respects the choices of the citizens of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Greece generally considers that the climate of nationalism and suspicion, daily fake news and extreme fanaticism unfortunately do not allow a sober assessment of the great benefits of the agreement and prevent the necessary mutual understanding of the peoples and the development of cooperation their.

The extreme and aggressive nationalisms in our region, the irresponsibility towards the region's future, the encroachment on stereotypes of irresponsibility, while history must be a school, not a prison, do not give a chance to the region in general.

The need for equal co-operation in the region, the sovereignty of the culture of democratic dialogue, the culture of conciliation and fair compromises is increasing. The objections to the Prespa agreement have proved to be untrue and erroneous.

The next steps require sobriety from all sides without exception, so that the positive potential of the Prespa Agreement can be preserved "

Rogi 09-30-2018 02:13 PM

Based on the results, by electoral area (looking at the demographic profile of that area and the turnout among non-Macedonians in nearby predominantly non-Macedonian areas), only about 300,000 ethnic Macedonians voted, 10% of whom have voted against or had invalid votes.

Rogi 09-30-2018 02:23 PM

Foreign diplomats are calling it an overwhelming win for the Yes vote.

Despite 70% of the people being against it.

Carlin 09-30-2018 03:16 PM

[QUOTE=Gocka;176813]The bloated voter lists finally came back to bite them in the ass. They got 600,000 voters which is probably close to 50% of actual residents. Most Albanian dominated areas didn't hit 50%. Big questions need to be asked of how many people especially Albanians really live in Macedonia[/QUOTE]

... Waiting for an in-depth analysis on this topic in the coming days and weeks. I brought this up in one of my earlier posts from today.

PS: The voter list is so "accurate" and "reliable" that both T. Xhaferi and B. Crvenkovski did not appear in the voter list and could not vote -
[url]https://fokus.mk/dhaferi-ne-mozhev-da-glasam-me-nemashe-na-izbirachkiot-spisok/[/url]


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