OM, you are an intelligent man
Am I one of a few that can see there is no turning back? We are doomed. With a capital F.Its got nothing to do with what we want or not want to see happen, we would not be on this forum if we did not want this, however, the events of the last few weeks, wanker rubbing off our Sonce, going further down the path of annihilation, even a blind/deaf/dumb mute can see it. That and the repulsive new name he wants for us.
I cannot believe Gruevski is of Aegean descent living in RoM. He is handing us over to the Greeks, a grkoman in the first order.
The diaspora is powerless to do anything, RoM acqueisces to the manipulation of their internal affairs, things have deteriorated markedly, please can you point me to what gives you the shred of hope, that you can see a positive outcome for us.

So Gruevski is officially pushing for the referendum on the name, just goes to show how much of a weak dog he is and that he cant make the hard decisions. What kind of leader is that?

Whats the bet the referendum is a “success” (no doubt due to the government doing every trick in the book to stop Macedonians from voting, shiptar intimidation and plain old Macedonian laziness) and when given the hard questions by Macedonians who DO CARE, gruevski will simply shrug his shoulders and blame the population.

I feel like Johnny Utah…Keanu Reeves…in Point Break [url]www.imdb.com/title/tt0102685/[/url] when out of rage because he cannot bear to loose capturing the criminal after struggling so long and coming so close jumps out of the plane with no parachute after Bohdi just to get him.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9K0ZvBtsUg]YouTube - Point Break - Last Skydiving Scene[/url]

Maybe I’m delusional but I cannot say [I]give up.[/I]

if the name change goesahead then what we in the diaspora are going to do adopt a bullshit name or continue to call ourselves macedonian.I think at least in the diaspora we havesome right to identify ourselves as we want.As for the traitors who want to change our name i can't imagine what their fate will be nor do i feel any sorrow for them.I'm pretty sure gruevski is going to manupilate the results in some way for a name change.

George, dont be surprised if Aus renames us too, from the communities established here the last 70 years, churches, and our name

[QUOTE=julie;91302]George, dont be surprised if Aus renames us too, from the communities established here the last 70 years, churches, and our name[/QUOTE]

Technically, they did that in 1994 and the "Directive for the X-Prefix' is still on the books.

[QUOTE=The LION will ROAR;91277]indigen, I try to avoid in political debate as it's not my strong point..
You are right in what you say and I my message didn't come across right Maybe I shouldn't of posted as I rarely do on these topics..
But I can say that Macedonians have been disappointed time and time again in the last 20years..and yes it was the biggest blow 20 years ago and in 2001...
But as the saying goes " YOU LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES" ...I guess that Macedonians haven't learnt anything from this..and you wouldn't of thought they'll do the same bullshit again[/QUOTE]

TLWR,
As long as we can "learn from our mistakes" (or otherwise), its all positive and lets leave it at that.

Cheers,
I.

considering all this it's funny how gruevski and his political party are constantly referred to as "nationalist".

[quote=sydney;91353]considering all this it's funny how gruevski and his political party are constantly referred to as "nationalist".[/quote]I suppose the only distinction between DPMNE and SDSM is that DPMNE pretends to be a 'nationalist' party (whatever that means for them). Journalists run with this because they think it makes them sound "smarter" if they can make a ideological distinction between political parties, no matter how uninformed it is, and then create some irrelevant commentary around it.

[QUOTE=George S.;91299]if the name change goesahead then what we in the diaspora are going to do adopt a bullshit name or continue to call ourselves macedonian.I think at least in the diaspora we havesome right to identify ourselves as we want.As for the traitors who want to change our name i can't imagine what their fate will be nor do i feel any sorrow for them.I'm pretty sure gruevski is going to manupilate the results in some way for a name change.[/QUOTE]

George, I would imagine a name change will be made official for international use, thereby places like Australia will adhere to the new name in all official correspondence.

The greater issue will be if Macedonia, having capitulated on the name will also capitulate on 'a name for all uses' scenario as envisaged and promoted by the greeks...this is where it will get particularly humiliating for the Macedonian's in Australia (i'm using Oz as an example).
Here in Australia, the politically connected, numerically and financially stronger greek lobby will insist that every object named 'Macedonian' today in Australia be renamed to whatever Gruevski & Co. sold to the greek side.

Slowly the greeks are stripping us of all dignity as a sovereign people, they've taken away our symbols, they're on the verge of renaming us and finally we will hand over our soul to them...not sure if anything matters after that...