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Carlin 10-24-2018 07:46 PM

Opposition MPs who voted "yes" will function as independent MPs (for now)

URL:
[url]https://24info.mk/%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BB%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5-%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B8-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%B2%D0%BC%D1%80%D0%BE-%D0%B4%D0%BF%D0%BC%D0%BD%D0%B5-%D0%BD/[/url]

There will be no new parliamentary group in the legislature - the 8 MPs who were kicked out of VMRO-DPMNE will act independently. However, the possibility for further and possibly new parliamentary activities in the legislature is still not excluded in full. After the VMRO-DPMNE called on the MPs who supported the constitutional changes to return their mandates and resign, none of them has announced such a thing nor have such a plan.

Pelagonija 10-25-2018 05:15 AM

At last some good news to come out of NMK, the prices of units will go up by 20% once they join NATO

[url]https://sitel.com.mk/vlezot-vo-nato-kje-ja-digne-cenata-na-stanovite-za-20[/url]

Phoenix 10-25-2018 05:58 AM

...now the shiptari are putting the squeeze on Zaev, in exchange for supporting the name change, the shiptari want to be inscribed as a constituent nation and their language to be on par with Macedonian...there's no bottom to this hole that Zaev has started digging...

Gocka 10-25-2018 07:47 AM

The pure idiocy espoused in this article actually gave me a headache.

For those of you who did not read it let me summarize the brilliant findings.

The price of apartments in NMK will go up after NATO entry as will other fixed assets, no specific reason was given, they just have to according to the writer.

Then the writer starts talking about how the price of materials are already going up, again no reason given why.

Then the writers starts talking about how the "businessmen" in NMK praise the quality of the building of apartments in NMK and that they are of a higher energy efficiency standard than the one the rest of Europe proposes.

Then the writer talks about how the "businessmen" in Macedonia are not worried about being able to sell newly built apartments because and I quote "everything that is quality built will sell".

The article finishes with noting that a big problem in the construction sector is that there is a lack of laborers because they go to Germany or other countries to do the same work, and that if NMK is to keep these workers they need to raise their salaries.

The ability of NMKians to know absolutely nothing about absolutely everything is something to behold. Their ability to conflate various topics is wondrous.

The article is titled "Entry in NATO will raise the price of apartments by 20%", yet NATO is mentioned twice in the whole article once to reiterate the title, and once to state that apartments value will rise upon entry into NATO, that's it. Not a single reason is put forward about why that would be the case, instead the article goes on about the quality of the workmanship of NMK apartments.

This type of idiocy which will not doubt be repeated by every moron in that dump, further proves how left behind those people are. How little they know and understand about how the world around them works.

The value of apartments is dictated by many things, the least of which is NATO.

Value of property is dictated by the abundance or lack of inventory on the market, the ability of buyers to afford them, the willingness of banks to lend to non cash buyers, interest rates on loans, DEMAND for housing, migration, population growth, economic growth, etc.

Of those factors most of them are negative in NMK. There is certainly not a lack of inventory, buyers cannot afford them because they have no money, banks do not usually lend such large amounts, and interests rates are generally high, demand for housing is tame, migration is out of the country and population growth is negative, and economic growth is non existent.

Yet all of this is magically overcome by NATO entry, A MILITARY ALLIANCE :6:

And to a cherry a top of the bullshit cake, they have a number too! Somehow they have 20%, not only will the rise for sure, they even know by how much, brilliant!

[QUOTE=Pelagonija;177506]At last some good news to come out of NMK, the prices of units will go up by 20% once they join NATO

[url]https://sitel.com.mk/vlezot-vo-nato-kje-ja-digne-cenata-na-stanovite-za-20[/url][/QUOTE]


This has been the case since the OFA. No matter what happens Albanians are in the perfect political situation to get something out of it. That is the end result when Macedonians divide themselves and then beg the Albanians to form coalitions. This is not even the fault of Albanians, in this regard they are just being good politicians and doing right by THEIR constituents. If only our side was capable of the same.

[QUOTE=Phoenix;177507]...now the shiptari are putting the squeeze on Zaev, in exchange for supporting the name change, the shiptari want to be inscribed as a constituent nation and their language to be on par with Macedonian...there's no bottom to this hole that Zaev has started digging...[/QUOTE]

Phoenix 10-25-2018 08:01 AM

[QUOTE=Gocka;177510]The pure idiocy espoused in this article actually gave me a headache.

For those of you who did not read it let me summarize the brilliant findings.

The price of apartments in NMK will go up after NATO entry as will other fixed assets, no specific reason was given, they just have to according to the writer.

Then the writer starts talking about how the price of materials are already going up, again no reason given why.

Then the writers starts talking about how the "businessmen" in NMK praise the quality of the building of apartments in NMK and that they are of a higher energy efficiency standard than the one the rest of Europe proposes.

Anyways...the stupid cunts deserve everything they get...

Then the writer talks about how the "businessmen" in Macedonia are not worried about being able to sell newly built apartments because and I quote "everything that is quality built will sell".

The article finishes with noting that a big problem in the construction sector is that there is a lack of laborers because they go to Germany or other countries to do the same work, and that if NMK is to keep these workers they need to raise their salaries.

The ability of NMKians to know absolutely nothing about absolutely everything is something to behold. Their ability to conflate various topics is wondrous.

The article is titled "Entry in NATO will raise the price of apartments by 20%", yet NATO is mentioned twice in the whole article once to reiterate the title, and once to state that apartments value will rise upon entry into NATO, that's it. Not a single reason is put forward about why that would be the case, instead the article goes on about the quality of the workmanship of NMK apartments.

This type of idiocy which will not doubt be repeated by every moron in that dump, further proves how left behind those people are. How little they know and understand about how the world around them works.

The value of apartments is dictated by many things, the least of which is NATO.

Value of property is dictated by the abundance or lack of inventory on the market, the ability of buyers to afford them, the willingness of banks to lend to non cash buyers, interest rates on loans, DEMAND for housing, migration, population growth, economic growth, etc.

Of those factors most of them are negative in NMK. There is certainly not a lack of inventory, buyers cannot afford them because they have no money, banks do not usually lend such large amounts, and interests rates are generally high, demand for housing is tame, migration is out of the country and population growth is negative, and economic growth is non existent.

Yet all of this is magically overcome by NATO entry, A MILITARY ALLIANCE :6:

And to a cherry a top of the bullshit cake, they have a number too! Somehow they have 20%, not only will the rise for sure, they even know by how much, brilliant!
[/QUOTE]

Sounds like classic fake news my friend...that article is being pushed by anti-NATO forces to counter - 'the road being paved with gold heading to NATO' coming from the Zaev spin doctors...

Pelagonija 10-26-2018 04:18 PM

Zaev promised he’d make NMK bilingual. Look forward to seeing an influx of Albanians in places like Ohrid with state jobs. The Makedonces response will be, “Gruo parite ni zede”.

[url]https://puls24.mk/ако-не-го-добиеме-ветеното-од-заев-ќе-ги/[/url]

Zaev must deliver on his promise now.

Carlin 10-26-2018 05:16 PM

[QUOTE]Gocka:
This has been the case since the OFA. No matter what happens Albanians are in the perfect political situation to get something out of it. That is the end result when Macedonians divide themselves and then beg the Albanians to form coalitions. This is not even the fault of Albanians, in this regard they are just being good politicians and doing right by THEIR constituents. If only our side was capable of the same.

Phoenix:
...now the shiptari are putting the squeeze on Zaev, in exchange for supporting the name change, the shiptari want to be inscribed as a constituent nation and their language to be on par with Macedonian...there's no bottom to this hole that Zaev has started digging...[/QUOTE]

It won't happen (right now). Even DUI stated that the constitutional amendments concern only the Prespa Agreement and its clauses/implementation, as outlined in the agreement -- & nothing more. So, as far as I saw in the news these requests were thrown out by both SDSM and DUI.

Канал 5 news from today. Start watching at minute [B]3:54[/B]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjVX2FUk5Z8[/url]

Carlin 10-28-2018 07:14 AM

Team handball match today in Kozani: Greece vs. Macedonia, 4pm local time.

URL:
[url]https://kurir.mk/sport/rakomet/grcite-se-zakanija-ako-vidime-makedonija-kje-napushtime-teren/[/url]

The hosts could leave the court today in Kozani. Kostas Gantis the first man of Greek handball, has come out with this threat.

The President of the Handball Federation of Greece at yesterday's press conference stressed that his team is prepared for a similar scenario from one year ago, when the Greek national team withdrew at the very beginning of the match with the Macedonian national team in the championship for youth in Skopje because the T-shirts had Macedonia.

- Definitely we will leave the field. I repeat, we see this as a sporting match, and the neighboring country should use the name with which it is recognized internationally, everything else would lead to an unwelcome turn of circumstances. However, to be honest this year we were at the European Youth Championships in Skopje and there were no problems. Also, after the draw in Trondheim, we had a meeting with representatives of the federation of the neighboring country and in principle we agreed not to repeat unpleasant events like those of last summer in Skopje, Gantis replied to the question of what would happen if there were provocations by the guests.

Macedonian and Greek handball players are housed in the same hotel in Kozani, with absolutely no problems.

Stojacanec 10-29-2018 04:14 AM

[QUOTE=Carlin15;177520]Team handball match today in Kozani: Greece vs. Macedonia, 4pm local time.

URL:
[url]https://kurir.mk/sport/rakomet/grcite-se-zakanija-ako-vidime-makedonija-kje-napushtime-teren/[/url]

The hosts could leave the court today in Kozani. Kostas Gantis the first man of Greek handball, has come out with this threat.

The President of the Handball Federation of Greece at yesterday's press conference stressed that his team is prepared for a similar scenario from one year ago, when the Greek national team withdrew at the very beginning of the match with the Macedonian national team in the championship for youth in Skopje because the T-shirts had Macedonia.

- Definitely we will leave the field. I repeat, we see this as a sporting match, and the neighboring country should use the name with which it is recognized internationally, everything else would lead to an unwelcome turn of circumstances. However, to be honest this year we were at the European Youth Championships in Skopje and there were no problems. Also, after the draw in Trondheim, we had a meeting with representatives of the federation of the neighboring country and in principle we agreed not to repeat unpleasant events like those of last summer in Skopje, Gantis replied to the question of what would happen if there were provocations by the guests.

Macedonian and Greek handball players are housed in the same hotel in Kozani, with absolutely no problems.[/QUOTE]

Let them walk off, the turkeys.

Carlin 10-29-2018 10:00 PM

[SIZE="3"][COLOR="Blue"]MPs excluded from VMRO-DPMNE formed an independent parliamentary group. So far, there are eight members in this group.[/COLOR][/SIZE]

[B]Исклучените пратеници формираа Независна пратеничка група од ВМРО-ДМПНЕ и коалицијата За подобра Македонија[/B]

URL:
[url]https://www.24.mk/iskluchenite-pratenici-formiraa-%E2%80%9Enezavisna-pratenichka-grupa-od-vmro-dmpne-i-koalicijata-%E2%80%9Eza-podobra[/url]

Пратеници кои беа исклучени од ВМРО-ДПМНЕ, формираа независна пратеничка група. Засега во неа членуваат осумтемина пратеници од опозицијата со кои беше обезбедено двотретринско мнозинство за потребата од уставни измени.

Попладнево со нив се сретна премиерот Заев, и министрите Димитров и Дескоска.

Со тоа почнаа и разговорите за уставните амандмани што треба да се поднесат а кои се во согласност со нивните четири барања за зајакнување на идентитетот, за одложена примена на името Република Северна Македонија по влезот на ЕУ и за ништовност на уставните измени доколку Грција не ја ратификува спогодбата што ги доставија пред да гласаат за потребата од уставни измени.

[SIZE="3"][COLOR="Blue"]The government will incorporate the opposition requests into the constitutional amendments[/COLOR][/SIZE]

URL:
[url]https://telma.com.mk/vladata-ke-gi-vgradi-opozitsiskite-barana-vo-ustavnite-amandmani/[/url]


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