[QUOTE=spitfire;154679]Now in terms of the name dispute, instead of trying to find a name that nobody fears for any what reason, and before someone proposes a name like "Republic of the very very south of Finland" :blink: for that matter, a good idea would be to use a name straightforward from macedonian language itself. Not in English, but in Macedonian and use that even in English and the whole world.
This would definatelly be very distinctive of what both sides want and will resolve the issue.
Case closed.[/QUOTE]

Not quite Spitfire. The problem here is that this rule is not applicable to any other nation-state in the word. The Italians may call themselves "Italia", and that is fine, but in English it is Italy. Under your suggestion, Italy would no longer be called Italy.

To suggest that Macedonia stop using the English name Macedonia because Greece objects to this English name is frankly absurd. Moreover, Greece objects to this nation-state using the Macedonian name period.

Most absurd.

[QUOTE=Philosopher;154682]Not quite Spitfire. The problem here is that this rule is not applicable to any other nation-state in the word. The Italians may call themselves "Italia", and that is fine, but in English it is Italy. Under your suggestion, Italy would no longer be called Italy.

To suggest that Macedonia stop using the English name Macedonia because Greece objects to this English name is frankly absurd. Moreover, Greece objects to this nation-state using the Macedonian name period.

Most absurd.[/QUOTE]

I think it is applicable to other nation states. Greece uses Hellenic Republic.

What is your view on the greek proposal? A name that signifies a geographical region.

[QUOTE=spitfire;154683]I think it is applicable to other nation states. Greece uses Hellenic Republic.

What is your view on the greek proposal? A name that signifies a geographical region.[/QUOTE]

The blood on your ancestors' hands suggests Macedonia will do just fine. You have no say in the matter. Why proceed as if, somehow, your government did?

[QUOTE="spitfire"]....a good idea would be to use a name straightforward from macedonian language itself. Not in English, but in Macedonian and use that even in English and the whole world.[/QUOTE]
Silly idea that has already been proposed and rejected. The Macedonian republic has the right to retain its name and neither you or any other Greek has the right to dictate terms to our people. Nobody here accepts any name change so spare us your suggestions.
[QUOTE]This would definatelly be very distinctive of what both sides want and will resolve the issue.[/QUOTE]
There already is a distinction. Macedonia on the one hand, Greece on the other. This problem exists only because some Greeks want it to.
[QUOTE]I think it is applicable to other nation states. Greece uses Hellenic Republic.[/QUOTE]
Wrong. If it was applicable to other states then in the English-speaking world Greece should be Elliniki Dimokratia and Italy should be Repubblica italiana. As Philosopher states, it is absurd. The only entity that such an absurd 'English' reference is applied to in the region is Republika Srpska (which should really be Serbian Republic), possibly to avoid confusion with the Republic of Serbia. Interesting to note that the name of the independent state takes precedence over the name of the region/entity within another state, just like in the case of Ireland.

[QUOTE=spitfire;154679]Just one point here George S. Greek exists also in the greek languange, as "Γραικός" (Graekos).

Now in terms of the name dispute, instead of trying to find a name that nobody fears for any what reason, and before someone proposes a name like "Republic of the very very south of Finland" :blink: for that matter, a good idea would be to use a name straightforward from macedonian language itself. Not in English, but in Macedonian and use that even in English and the whole world.
This would definatelly be very distinctive of what both sides want and will resolve the issue.
Case closed.[/QUOTE]

You slimy bastard, you've danced around the periphery since you first joined the forum, not drawing too much attention to yourself but you've belatedly shown your true colours...
Perhaps your side should adopt your suggestion...consider consulting George R. R. Martin and his fictional High Valyrian for inspiration...surely closing the 'case', once and for all...

spitfire, sounds like a plan. As a gesture of goodwill, I propose the use of "Greece and Greeks" are immediately disallowed (never to be used again) and replaced with "Hellenic Republic and Hellenicans". Macedonia will be sure to consider following you in due course.

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;154691]spitfire, sounds like a plan. As a gesture of goodwill, I propose the use of "Greece and Greeks" are immediately disallowed (never to be used again) and replaced with "Hellenic Republic and Hellenicans". Macedonia will be sure to consider following you in due course.[/QUOTE]
Even that isn't equivalent because the term 'Hellenic' is still an Anglicised version of 'Elliniki'.

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;154692]Even that isn't equivalent because the term 'Hellenic' is still an Anglicised version of 'Elliniki'.[/QUOTE]C'mon man, you know what I mean. Just a bullshit example for a more bullshit suggestion.

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;154694]C'mon man, you know what I mean. Just a bullshit example for a more bullshit suggestion.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I know :)

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;154691]spitfire, sounds like a plan. As a gesture of goodwill, I propose the use of "Greece and Greeks" are immediately disallowed (never to be used again) and replaced with "Hellenic Republic and Hellenicans". Macedonia will be sure to consider following you in due course.[/QUOTE]

Greece and greeks are not used officially. It's Hellenic and Hellenes.

Your suggestion of not using Greece and greeks doesn't sound bad to me. On the contrary, it would be great to have the world speak of Hellenes instead of Greeks.
Of course you can't do that with every person on earth, this is why we are talking about a name used in international affairs. Between states and organisations.