[quote=Buktop;60508]If it took 15-20 years to secure our unlimited sovereignty and respect, I would gladly sacrifice that time in a heartbeat... 15-20 years of my life, or our life is nothing to me if my children and grandchildren can freely call their themselves and their country Macedonia. Vangelovski is so selfish that he would screw future generations out of their birth right, just to say that he was the one that did something for 2 minutes out of Macedonia's history.

Your short term mentality is what is wrong with us. You would rather screw Macedonia for the next 100 years just to get half a years satisfaction, and that is where we differ. I would gladly give 20 years of my life if the outcome was 100 years of Macedonian sovereignty and dignity.

The means justify the ends, and Vangelovski doesn't care about the repercussions of his actions.[/quote]

Buktop,

Noone ever said anything would be easy or quick - though I don't personally consider this particular issue needed the past 15 years, let alone another 15 years. You've made it quite obvious that YOUR particular "waiting" theory is nothing but a deflection to keep us in chains. I'm sure that you would gladly sacrifice not only the next 100 years of your family's lives, but of the entire Macedonian nation in order to maintain the vassalage you are defending.

[QUOTE=Buktop;60509]Starting to feel as if you are losing the plot majstore[/QUOTE]
Not at all. Just hoping you would honour your sig file and answer my questions put to you around a week ago.
If I was losing the plot, the clue is you would be agreeing with me.

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;60510]Buktop,

Noone ever said anything would be easy or quick. You've made it quite obvious that YOUR particular "waiting" theory is nothing but a deflection to keep us in chains.[/QUOTE]
And how have you come to that conclusion? How have I been deceiving you? How have I been promoting subservience rather than subversiveness in relation to the binding chains?

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;60512]Not at all. Just hoping you would honour your sig file and answer my questions put to you around a week ago.
If I was losing the plot, the clue is you would be agreeing with me.[/QUOTE]
Risto, I did not intentionally avoid your questions and I will answer them shortly, unfortunately, I had a very serious family issue to attend to that I would not like to discuss on the forum. I wish you to know that I did not purposely avoid your questions.

[quote=Buktop;60513]How have I been promoting subservience rather than subversiveness in relation to the binding chains?[/quote]

Buktop, is your real name George Orwell?

Supporting the very mechanisms that enslave us indicate you are SUBSERVIENT.

I feel that, if nothing else, this quote is most relevant at this point in this thread...


[QUOTE]Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.[/QUOTE]
[I]Benjamin Franklin[/I]


Benjamin Franklin (January 17, 1706 [O.S. January 6, 1705[1]] – April 17, 1790) was one of the Founding Fathers of the United States. A noted polymath, Franklin was a leading author and printer, satirist, political theorist, politician, scientist, inventor, civic activist, statesman, soldier and diplomat.

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;60515]Buktop, is your real name George Orwell?

Supporting the very mechanisms that enslave us indicate you are SUBSERVIENT.[/QUOTE]

I have never advocated supporting the mechanisms that enslave us, and I dare you to prove that allegation...

I have advocated subverting the mechanisms, preparing economically, politically and socially over a time-frame in order to remove ourselves from said mechanisms.

You on the other hand would like to play the Dirty Harry, cowboy figure and carelessly act as though you were a spoiled child regardless of the consequences of your actions... Unlike you, I plan for the future, my children, my grandchildren... I don't selfishly look for myself.

[QUOTE=Rogi;60516]I feel that, if nothing else, this quote is most relevant at this point in this thread...



[I]Benjamin Franklin[/I]


Benjamin Franklin (January 17, 1706 [O.S. January 6, 1705[1]] – April 17, 1790) was one of the Founding Fathers of the United States. A noted polymath, Franklin was a leading author and printer, satirist, political theorist, politician, scientist, inventor, civic activist, statesman, soldier and diplomat.[/QUOTE]The key is not temporary safety, but laying the foundation for years to come, and that is why I specifically highlighted that in my previous post.

Franklin was speaking more about wartime concessions to the government. He did not have Macedonia's situation in mind when he wrote that quote.

[QUOTE=Buktop;60514]Risto, I did not intentionally avoid your questions and I will answer them shortly, unfortunately, I had a very serious family issue to attend to that I would not like to discuss on the forum. I wish you to know that I did not purposely avoid your questions.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. Hope the issue resolves itself to your favour.
pozdrav

[quote=Buktop;60517]I have never advocated supporting the mechanisms that enslave us, and I dare you to prove that allegation...

I have advocated subverting the mechanisms, preparing economically, politically and socially over a time-frame in order to remove ourselves from said mechanisms.

You on the other hand would like to play the Dirty Harry, cowboy figure and carelessly act as though you were a spoiled child regardless of the consequences of your actions... Unlike you, I plan for the future, my children, my grandchildren... I don't selfishly look for myself.[/quote]

Buktop,

You have done nothing but advocate for the continued vassalage and existence of both the Interim Accord and the Framework Agreement. I don't have the time to go through all your posts only for you then to deny that you ever wrote them.