The Celts are a good people! Some believe that they originated from an area north of Macedonia, from where they started their long migration northward.

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;29723]Bill.
Really?
Northern Macedonia?
Would I then be a Northern Macedonian from Northern Greece?[/QUOTE]RTG mabe i have miss understood the proposal. I am assuming it is a bilateral used. i did also say its not perfect. But my eyes opened more to the point where our language and identity will remain MACEDONIAN.

[QUOTE=Brygian Seed;29732][COLOR="Red"]Doe anyone know if Bulgaria has veto power?[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Yes, ALL EU members have Veto power.

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;29731]SoM, it is not even Bi-Lateral. It is saying some countries can call us one thing, others can call us another. As a Macedonian from occupied Macedonia it is even more offensive to be a Northern Macedonian from Northern Greece.

Macedonian people as Macedonian is a joke. If the country is called Northern Macedonia, get ready for a new round of $130 million Greek spending to convince the world otherwise.[/QUOTE]

We may get a lucky delay because The Greeks are hard-line and want everything at once, but apart from that "our" side is ready to deal on state name (for international use) and much more.

As for $130 million, I think they have spent much, much more that on their decades old anti-Macedonian crusade and they will spend as much as it takes to ERASE every trace of ethnic Macedonian identity around the globe. The Greeks are, and will be, greatly assisted by Bulgars and Shiptars in their common cause against us.

[QUOTE=Brygian Seed;29732] Doe anyone know if Bulgaria has veto power?[/QUOTE]Bulgaria has made it public that they suport Macedonia's integration. They have no issue with the name. I posted a recent Macedonian artical somewhere in this forum.

Something we should all realize. If the traitors in our government were to accept "Northern Macedonia" as the name of our Nation, we lose our Macedonian Nationality, not as citizens of Macedonia but as ethnic Macedonians. Currently the name of our state reflects our ethnic and cultural identity.

Gruevski is a first class TRAITOR (as is UMD), because they have put foward proposals for a name change.

Here is the [B]Greek position [/B]regarding the Macedonian nationality.

[quote] There is no generally accepted definition of Macedonia. In [B]modern times Macedonia had never formed a racial, linguistic or political unit.[/B] Source: p. 3, Dakin, D., The Greek Struggle in Macedonia 1897-1913 [/quote]

Read and understand this carefully, because to be called "Northern Macedonia" means that the Macedonians will lose political representation that directly reflects there ethnic and cultural identity.

Incidently, compare this official Greek position with comments the [B]current president of UMD [/B]posted on MacedoniaMediaGroup, Wednesday, August 24, at 12.38. There is no room in Macedonia for these kinds of Trajkovski'ism's.

[quote] [B]We are going to discuss creating a society based on individuals, not ethnic groups, on citizense and not minority groups [/B][/quote].

It is identical to the Greek position.

[QUOTE=Bill77;29753]Bulgaria has made it public that they suport Macedonia's integration. They have no issue with the name. I posted a recent Macedonian artical somewhere in this forum.[/QUOTE]

And you believe that?

[QUOTE=Pelister;29755]to be called "Northern Macedonia" means that the Macedonians will lose political representation that directly reflects there ethnic and cultural identity.
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The beginning of the end and a negation that would be amplified internally within Greece. Any compromise will continue to reinforce the idea that Macedonians are not truly entitled to their cultural legacy and, therefore, their land(s). The global political projection would be one of generosity on the part of Greece.

[QUOTE=Sovius;29758]The global political projection would be one of generosity on the part of Greece.[/QUOTE]
It is already being promoted this way.
Could you have the Macedonians capitulate in any worse fashion?

[QUOTE=Prolet;29756]And you believe that?[/QUOTE]This was reported by the Macedonian Media. There was no claims anywhere from the Macedonian government or media to dispute the claims. The Bulgarians whould have been at the most recent EU summit also Macedonian reps would have been there or known what whent on. Unless you show me otherwise i would believe this media report.