[QUOTE=Risto the Great;28599]I would think a negotiation should include Macedonians highlighting our grievances and the Greeks finally understanding our rights as a sovereign nation and agreeing with the Macedonians. That process is still a negotiation and is something that I would not be afraid of being part of or in fact discouraging.[/QUOTE]

If only.

Its all about terminating our existence as Macedonians.

If the Macedonians were actually discussing our right to exist, I wouldn't be so worried. They are not doing this directly. They are negotiating those rights awau, and our existence away through various formulaic interpretations.

Why not discuss Greece's invasion of Macedonia, our dispossession and denial on the floor of the E.U/U.N.

Now that would be taking it to them, holding them to account and the rest of fking Europe.

It would be far more constructive and politically effective to be discussing Greece's invasion and annexation of this part of Macedonia, our dispossession, and why it continues to deny us.

Now thats a discussion worth talking about.

I agree with Pelister that any talks must be with everything placed on the table.Greece needs to admit it's past errors & to right those wrongs from the past.WE all want to move on.I think an apology would be welcome as well as restitution.If the talks are not allencompassing well they can go & fuck themselve if they think were ropable.We need to stand up to the bully that we will not have any discussion unless it's meaningfull.

Well the macedonian people have been echoing what the diaspora has been saying & the politicians should take heed as well as the predavnici they know who they are.For whatever reason the politicians if they change our name & ignore the people's wishes,they will be sorry & in strife.For far too long our politicians have dillydallied with everything with Macedonia & it's identity.

you think after almost 20 years of this, they would stop reporting it.

negotiations continue?
 

Utrinski vesnik: Greek-Macedonian negotiations could bring results, Olli Rehn



1 December 2009 | 08:47 | FOCUS News Agency



Skopje. EU Commissioner for Enlargement Olli Rehn said he is an optimist over Greek-Macedonian negotiations on name issue and could yield result, Macedonian Utrinski vesnik newspaper writes. According to Rehn the way things are developing is encouraging.
“It was positive meeting was held between Macedonian and Greek prime ministers Nikola Gruevski and George Papandreou because this helps to bilateral relations between Macedonia and Greece. It concerns a working development and I believe the two prime ministers will make progress. I cannot tell when there will be strong enough development to take a decision on starting EU accession talks with Macedonia but I think the direction is good,” Rehn said

It is against my wishes as Macedonian and I believe 90% of Macedonians feel the way I do. So the goverment decides to carry on against our wishes? Is that a good goverment?
I don't think so

[QUOTE=Jankovska;28644]It is against my wishes as Macedonian and I believe 90% of Macedonians feel the way I do. So the goverment decides to carry on against our wishes? Is that a good goverment?
I don't think so[/QUOTE]

I will never understand it. Not after making some progress with the visas. What is the point?

I'm all for negotiations.
I can't wait for Greece to give in to my terms.

[QUOTE=julie;28645]I will never understand it. Not after making some progress with the visas. What is the point?[/QUOTE]


The Macedonian people were never asked whether they wanted their identity negotiated, and there is good reason for that. They would have said 'No'.

This is all the evidence I need that the government is intending to betray us.

It pisses me off. :angry: