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chicagoan 11-28-2009 05:22 AM

^^^ From day one you guys were attacking me and my background. I kept my cool.
You Julie espescially when off on me as if I was somehow responsible for what happened to your family. Im not going to open that issue up again.

Even if you go to other sites that are greek you will see macedonian members there. Do they have a hidden agenda ? Ppl like us just want to engage in public forums to exchange ideas and opinions. Thats it...relax

julie 11-28-2009 05:33 AM

[QUOTE=chicagoan;28353]^^^ From day one you guys were attacking me and my background. I kept my cool.
You Julie espescially when off on me as if I was somehow responsible for what happened to your family. Im not going to open that issue up again.

Even if you go to other sites that are greek you will see macedonian members there. Do they have a hidden agenda ? Ppl like us just want to engage in public forums to exchange ideas and opinions. Thats it...relax[/QUOTE]

Your inference to my family, that I was telling a "story" that you stated ...if this is true....(I do not tell untruths) offended me and my honour.
I dont know who you are or what you are hoping to achieve, you do not endear yourself to me or anyone else with your snide negativity.
AND for the record, I have Greek friends too, (from southern Greece)that are respectful and don't deny me my heritage, my nationality or my Macedonian name .

I dont find you respectful, especially your attack on George, and I find you offensive.

You are merely reaping what you sow.
Perhaps you may find others here more respectful if you were to convey the same decency

George S. 11-28-2009 06:42 AM

I'm still waiting for an answer & he is holding on for dear life i think he wan'ts to misbehave like his friend did.Also he won't answer a simple question.Like no i dont respect Macedonians then out the door,Yes I respect the Macedonians you can stay??
cat got his tongue he can't talk.

George S. 11-28-2009 06:43 AM

[QUOTE=chicagoan;28102]well guys..just so you know.
The more hardline you get on this issue the more losses you will incur on yourselves.[/QUOTE]
What did you mean by that?That's a total disrespect for us.Is it now.:6:

Risto the Great 11-28-2009 05:24 PM

Macedonia, Greece make no breakthrough in name talks
 
[url]http://en.trend.az/regions/world/europe/1589806.html[/url]

[QUOTE]Macedonia and Greece made no major breakthrough in ending the name row between the two neighbors after the prime ministers of the two countries met on Friday afternoon, Xinhua reported.
"We were told that Greece sticks to its positions, in that case we cannot talk about any progress," Macedonian Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski told media after the meeting. "We will continue our meetings and thus increase the chances for a solution to be found."
In a separate statement to the Greek media, Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou said that it cannot be expected that a row that has lasted for 18 years can be settled in few days. He assessed that a solution could be possibly reachable in several months to a year period.
The two prime ministers expressed content with the meeting, which was held on the sidelines of a regional environment meeting between Greece, Macedonia and Albania in a village on the Lake Prespes in northwestern Greece.
"Such contacts are good and useful. This new momentum we have now is good. We may understand each-other better only via dialogue, " Gruevski said, expressing hope for new meetings that will lead to better understanding.
Gruevski and Papandreou agreed to continue the name talks under the auspices of the UN.
The relations between the neighbors especially soured last year when Athens blocked Skopje's NATO accession, arguing that the country's name implies territorial claims towards its own northern province which is also called Macedonia.
The European Commission last month gave Macedonia an added incentive to resolve the name dispute by recommending the EU gives Skopje a start date for accession negotiations into the bloc, but left the decision on the date to member states.
Skopje hopes that this decision will be reached at the next EU council slated for December but Athens, who is a long term EU member, has said it will prevent this from happening pending a name settlement.
Gruevski urged Athens to think very carefully about its moves in December at the EU meeting, which should decide on opening Macedonia's EU accession talks, as blockades and blackmails would not settle the problem but further deteriorate the relations between the two countries.
"I've appealed to Papandreou to think carefully before making any move because it will have far-reaching consequences to the relations between the two countries. Blocking, pressuring, blackmailing somebody is not a European way of doing things," Gruevski said.
The European Commission Chief Jose Manuel Barroso will have a meeting with Macedonia's Prime Minister on December 2. This is seen by observers as the last chance for some progress ahead of the EU council session.[/QUOTE]

Wow, who would have thought.

George S. 11-28-2009 05:38 PM

Greece is waiting on Macedonia to concede.I think both sides are waiting neither side is giving anything away.All the more for the talks to be cancelled once & for all.Can people envisage having to bargain for your identity.You are who you are & Greece should accept it & live with it.The fact is Greece can't accept it it has become paranoid about it
to the extent that it is not going to compromise on anything & it fears the little country who can more & more.The stability of the whole balkan region is affected because Greece does not bargain with anything.It wan'ts Macedonia to compromise.
Greece saying that Macedonia implies territorial claims is wrong.Greece has a Province named
Macedonia.Whereas The Republic of Macedonia Is a countries name.They are two different things.Also The name Republic of Macedonia is registered throughout the world since 1945 & it is worlwide recognised with anything Macedonian.Greece should not have any problem with that Macedonia is not monopolising the name BUT Greeece wan'ts to monopolise the name & not have anyone use it.A compromise on the name would give Greece a blank cheque to do what it want's it knows that Macedonia is blocking the way.

julie 11-28-2009 05:42 PM

[QUOTE=George S.;28409]Greece is waiting on Macedonia to concede.I think both sides are waiting neither side is giving anything away.All the more for the talks to be cancelled once & for all.Can people envisage having to bargain for your identity.You are who you are & Greece should accept it & live with it.The fact is Greece can't accept it it has become paranoid about it
to the extent that it is not going to compromise on anything & it fears the little country who can more & more.The stability of the whole balkan region is affected because Greece does not bargain with anything.It wan'ts Macedonia to compromise.[/QUOTE]


My sentiments exactly.
It wants Macedonia to compromise you say bratot.
Greece - definition Compromise - in regards to Macedonia - give up and accept their ideologies and beliefs that we don't exist.

Soldier of Macedon 11-28-2009 11:26 PM

[QUOTE].............Posselt earlier asked for mitigation of the wording used in the resolution, which includes too much accusations towards Macedonia when referring to bilateral good neighborly relations, since "[B]it is not the only country responsible[/B]".[/QUOTE]
It is not responsible at all. How are we responsible, for merely existing?
[QUOTE]"The two countries have already agreed on the name. However, its use is causing problems. Nevertheless, the current spirit provides the opportunity for a solution", he added.[/QUOTE]
And this Greek clown Hadjimarkov knows this how? What is the name agreed upon? Idiot.

Soldier of Macedon 11-29-2009 12:00 AM

[QUOTE="chicagoracist"]Your not the only person that has family or history in that region. You cannot claim copyright on that area. Simple.[/QUOTE]
What a ridiculous assertion. Greek-speaking families arenít the only people that have a history in the region of Attica and the Peloponnese, in fact not too long ago they were in the minority, but that doesn't stop today's 'Hellenes' claiming a 'copyright' on that area. At least in Macedonia the Macedonians were the majority in most places (and still are in many) before the wars that you animals brought in our lands. The Macedonians, my people, can, will and do claim Macedonia, and we will never share what is truly Macedonian with any of the theives that neighbour us.
[QUOTE]Im just saying that this racist propaganda against Greek ppl is not going to work.[/QUOTE]
Racist propaganda against Greek people? Macedonians just want to live as Macedonians, and we don't prevent Greeks living as Greeks, animals and racists from your country are responsible for these problems, who cannot stop themselves from denying another people's right to exist. The racist propaganda stems from one side, yours, you racist.
[QUOTE]We never had problems during the days of yugoslavia...or does that not tell you something.[/QUOTE]
What does it tell you? That so long as Macedonia is a region in another country (like it is in Greece and Bulgaria) you will recognize the Macedonian language and ethnicity, as the Greek state did? You don't even know what you're rambling on about, you are trying to dictate the terms of existence to another people, you do not have this right, go and live your lives you racists, and let the Macedonians live theirs.
[QUOTE]If your stories are true...all I can say is that you cant blame a whole country for a couple of freaks.[/QUOTE]
If they are true? The lady went out of her way to explain the suffering her family underwent at the hands of racists from your pathetic little Neohellenic cult, and that is your response to her, "if" her stories were true? If that isn't enough racist denial of what you animals have done, the below is.
[QUOTE]Genocide...yeah..ok.[/QUOTE]
It's only a matter of time before you become more open with your racist insults, time and again we see it with you people who arrive here pretending to be moderates and 'friends' only to try and push your racist propaganda through at our forums and deny the existence of Macedonian history, so, we've just been cleansed of your racist stench....yeah...ok.

Soldier of Macedon 11-29-2009 12:11 AM

To my fellow Macedonians who voted in the above poll, I am a little disappointed that while 12 of you have seen it fit to choose the last option, none of you have provided a realistic alternative with regard to future relations with Greece, the relation between the Macedonians in ROG and the Macedonians in the ROM, the ties that have been, are being and were to be established between Macedonians on both sides of the border that would encourage more interaction and understanding, etc. Come on guys, forget about the EU and NATO, if the bi-lateral option is not accepted, what would happen to the above? Macedonia and Greece will ingore each other completely and severe all ties? What would be the consequences, not just for the Macedonian state but for the Macedonian people in the region? I hope some of you will make the effort to provide a relevant response.


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