[QUOTE=chicagoan;28183]George, i dont think you answered my question.
Have you ever been to Greece ?

As far as afghanistan...you wouldnt know one thing about it. We dont sell our soldiers lives for petty politics. We have integrity and principle. Just ask Serbia....[/QUOTE]Now thats funny. integrity and principle in a same sentence with Greece.

let me give you an example Bill.

we could of sold out serbia ( which they deserve IMO ) and recognize kosovo at your expense. We could of sent soldiers to Iraq and Afghanistan which were morally wrong wars to begin with ( Gruevski did ) just to score some points with washington...that didnt happen either.

We are a country that can be your best friend and would never sell you out, under no circumstance. That my friend is integrity...something few countries have nowadays...

[QUOTE=chicagoan;28129]slovenec ^^^

have ANY OF YOU EVER BEEN TO GREECE ?

seriously..you guys dont have a clue.[/QUOTE]
I have been to Athens there's shit everywhere,i'ts filthy & dirty.
Street dogs everywhere.In contrast i have been to Solun & it's beautiful.You can tell that is a Macedonian city.The rest of Greece is pale by comparison.I was in Northern Greece when their so called army came & the Macedonian villagers baricaded themselves :

Yes..i dont like athens either. Nice to see we agree on something.
the army incident was completely blown out of proportions..

btw..how did you make it back alive to post here ? Just kidding :))

Chicagoman Do you respect us as Macedonians Yes Or NO let us know

[QUOTE=chicagoan;28189]let me give you an example Bill.

we could of sold out serbia ( which they deserve IMO ) and recognize kosovo at your expense. We could of sent soldiers to Iraq and Afghanistan which were morally wrong wars to begin with ( Gruevski did ) just to score some points with washington...that didnt happen either.

We are a country that can be your best friend and would never sell you out, under no circumstance. That my friend is integrity...something few countries have nowadays...[/QUOTE]OHHHHHH Boy, you realy did it now. First let me cover the Kosovo issue. The eu and the west are going to push Kosovo entry into EU like there's no tomorrow. Lets see what dick heads Greece are going to be when that happens.

Second and most important Never sell out?

"GREEKS BETRAY MACEDONIANS.

Threatened Outbreak This Spring Will Probably Be Prevented – Montenegrins To Invade Turkey?

London Times, New York Times Special Cablegram

LONDON, March 31. – A dispatch to The Times from Athens says the grave situation in Macedonia and Albania causes considerable uneasiness. It is thought that the propaganda from the Macedonian committee in Bulgaria is somewhat discredited among the wealthier classes, owing to the crimes and extortion connected with it. Still, the physical force party, which may be compared to the Fenian section of the Irish Nationalists, continues to follow the lead of President Sarafof who has planted a general rising of the Christians in the coming Spring.

The dispatch says the overtures made in Athens and Belgrade have not been found tempting and that the Greeks have disclosed the scheme to Turkey. This, in conjunction with a strong military precaution being taken, will probably prevent the threatened outbreak. Improvement, however, is impossible without reform, and the Sultan´s personal fears and the disunion of the European powers make the prospect of reform remote." (The New York Times, March 31, 1902)


Statement by Greek Premier, New York Times 1903

[url]http://www.macedonia-timeless.com/Links/Links/pdf/1903%20-%20STATEMENT%20BY%20GREEK%20PREMIER._%20M.%20Ralli%20Tells%20Why%20His%20Government%20Is%20Aiding%20Turkey%20Against%20the%20Insurge....pdf[/url]


Macedonian Chief Death New york times 1903
"A Greek spy Betrays Delcev"

[url]http://www.macedonia-timeless.com/Links/Links/pdf/nytimes%2026%20may%201903.pdf[/url]


want more? And don't say its the past. A leopard never changes its spots.

This should not even be a question for Macedonians. We all know how we feel about our name and also we all know how impossible to deal with Greece is. Here are few suggestions I want to throw in, steps I think Macedonia should be taking
Facts
1) Macedonia will not enter EU while Greece is part of EU
2) Macedonia will not enter NATO while Greece is part of NATO
3) Greece will only accept a name that has nothing to do with who we are
4) This is a never ending game because I racist country wants to wipe you off the map
What should Macedonia do?
1) Our goverment should still 'play' the whole EU bullshit thing while developing friendship with: Firstly Turkey, second China, Iran etc
2) Macedonia does not need to be just friends with Turkey, Macedonia needs to develop and work on that relationship a lot. Goverment should invest in trainging facilities for Army, exchange of soldiers programes with Turkey
3) Allow and build Turkish Army bases in Macedonia, south Macedonia
4)Develop the economy market more and offer Turkey our products first before offering them to anyone else
5) Start building relationships with Iran, country we have not been friends with since the time of Philip. Use IRan to keep our Muslim population under control
6) Greece will start sensing Turkey's aim and would cry even more to the EU
7) The EU will start getting cold feet about letting spoilt cry baby Greece do whatever the fuck they want, afterall the EU can not afford to get Turkey angry. America will never allow this, because without Turkey's friendship america is nothing in the Middle East
8) Turkey would take any opportunty to demonstrate force to Greece and I think they will take the offer straigh away
9) The EU will have no choice but to eaither start putting pressure on Greece or will face fucking off Turkey and pretty much the whole Muslim world.
THe Macedonian goverment should start making friendships, signing agreements with countries, providing base for protection. Why the fuck are we still blindly following the EU. WHy not look for friends somewhere else?

[QUOTE=George S.;28195]Chicagoman Do you respect us as Macedonians Yes Or NO let us know[/QUOTE]

Yes...i have no problem with that.

Well compromising on that ain't guarantee that the demands will end there.

And it is not only that they want "North Macedonia", but it is the language and whole much more they want us to abandon.

Outrageous, so not acceptable.


Republic of Macedonia
Macedonian Language

get used to it Greeks.

[QUOTE=chicagoan;28157]See George, this is the problem right there.
You actually BELIEVE what you are saying.
Its all lies man...they feed you lies and you guys eat it up.[/QUOTE]

Lies? my family's blood spilled for one name Macedonia. Whoever you are, you have no idea , you are so brainwashed and indoctrinated with hatred and contempt for my people, how dare you be so insulting, go back to where you came from grko man