Hello!
I have been away for awhile and haven't posted in a long time. I have been watching all this with horror.
All I have to say is WTF? Have they lost their minds. (Yes they, becuase I'm not a "North"anything)
Worst part is they sign this and have ceremonies on both ends of Prespa......where my genepool comes from.
God.
Damn.
It.

[QUOTE=Tomche Makedonche;176449]Holy fucken shit!, what the fuck was that! :stuart:

But again, is it[B] Evropska Makedonija[/B]? Or [B]Severna Makedonija[/B]?, seriously what the fuck is it?[/QUOTE]As my Croatian friend likes to say, its one big kurac.

Another article regarding an apparent information war going on between the US and Russia in Macedonia, this despite Zaev saying at a press conference in front of Mattis that there is no evidence of Russian Meddling.

Are Americans seeing Commies in their soup again, hiding in their closets, waiting to jump out and get them?; are they accidentally (or purposefully) confusing actual Macedonian resistance to the deal as Russian meddling?; is Macedonia's current situation simply being seen as an opportunity to enhace the US campaign against Russia?; or are the Russians somehow involved to such a significant extent that merits this kind of political and media response by the US?, whatever the case, the hypocracy still seems to go unnoticed

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/macedonia-is-a-tiny-country-with-a-giant-russia-problem/2018/09/20/47a674d2-bb6b-11e8-a8aa-860695e7f3fc_story.html?utm_term=.84da97c5ad1e[/url]

[B]Macedonia is a tiny country with a giant Russia problem[/B]

IN THE past few weeks, a parade of senior Western officials has streamed through Skopje, the modest capital of the tiny republic of Macedonia, which is smaller than Maryland and boasts a population of barely 2 million.

The most recent VIP, on Monday, was Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, who called Macedonia “a reliable security partner and a valued contributor to global peace and security.” Why all the fuss? On Sept. 30, citizens will vote on whether to change the country’s name to North Macedonia, to end a decades-old dispute with neighboring Greece and to open the way for membership in the European Union and NATO.

That choice, in turn, has touched off another geopolitical joust between the West and Russia, which is doing its best to undermine the Greek-Macedonian agreement and, thus, block another NATO expansion. What’s striking is the difference in tactics: While the democracies are wooing Macedonians with appearances and speeches by the likes of Mr. Mattis and German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Russia is conducting a veiled propaganda campaign, flooding social media with fake news and subsidizing local extremists who have organized protests. “No doubt that [the Russians] have transferred money and they are also conducting broader influence campaigns,” Mr. Mattis said.

Moscow’s operation resembles those it conducted in the United States, Britain and other democracies before recent elections. A principal feature is fake social media accounts disseminating poisonous — and blatantly false — information. The New York Times quoted Western diplomats as saying that dozens of new pages were appearing daily on Facebook urging a boycott of the referendum; some tell people to burn their ballots. They peddle lies about police attacks against opponents of the name change. One civil society activist told the Times that a photo of a famous singer who was assaulted in a domestic incident was circulated with the claim that she had been injured while protesting.

The determination of the regime of Vladi*mir Putin to wreck the Macedonian deal, even at the expense of harming friendly relations with Greece, is instructive. Macedonia does not border Russia but is surrounded on three sides by NATO member states. It poses no conceivable threat to Russia, but its entrance into the transatlantic alliance and European community will help stabilize a historically volatile corner of Europe. Moscow’s spoiling campaign is another reminder that Mr. Putin views relations with the West in stark zero-sum terms: Any gain by the democracies, however small, is regarded as a mortal threat.

For now, it looks as though the open appeals of the West will trump Russian subterfuge. Polls show the referendum proposition passing, which would give the Macedonian parliament the basis to approve the necessary constitutional change. But whatever the outcome, one message from Macedonia is clear: Mr. Putin remains bent on undermining the West and its institutions whenever and wherever he can.

[QUOTE=Tomche Makedonche;176473]Another article regarding an apparent information Proxy war going on between the US and Russia in Macedonia, this despite Zaev saying at a press conference in front of Mattis that there is no evidence of Russian Meddling.

Are Americans seeing Commies in their soup again, hiding in their closets, waiting to jump out and get them?; are they accidentally (or purposefully) confusing actual Macedonian resistance to the deal as Russian meddling?; is Macedonia's current situation simply being seen as an opportunity to enhace the US campaign against Russia?; or are the Russians somehow involved to such a significant extent that merits this kind of political and media response by the US?[/QUOTE]

Yes! There so many people freaking out over Russia it's laughable. The slight difference from the cold war days is that its more the left freaking out than the right. They also seem to have switched sides in their respective trusts and distrust of the FBI and CIA. LOL

Remember, unless it's not well known outside the US, there has been a fair amount of media coverage, talking about the Macedonians helping Russia defeat Hillary. (See of course Zaev would say that!!! :biggrin:)
The extent is Hillary and supporters sometimes citing Macedonia and her detractors mocking how they want to invest in "a Troll Farm" in Macedonia.

Honestly the whole issue boils down to what I have been reading on this forum the last few months. Lack of will to stand and state Macedonian rights and grievances in a loud clear 21st Century voice. IMHO

I know easy for me to say from the US. But it does affect ME and mine. I really don't want to be "a fake ethnicity", Confused Greek or Hilljack Bulgarian. I find them all equally shitty.

[QUOTE=tchaiku;176464]I don't speak Macedonian, but did they say something offensive that you guys hate it that much? :001_huh:[/QUOTE]

Its basically a few washed up singers asking to roll out the red carpet and change what ever is need to "enter into Europe":devil2:

These people won't find it offensive:

1. Shiptar
2. Greek
3. Anti Macedonian Macedonian

[QUOTE=Pelagonija;176459]What a bunch of deformed looking cunts.. what’s with the colonel sanders wannabe? If anyone ever asks me what I am ever again I’d rather tell them I’m Roma as against associating with these no hopers.[/QUOTE]

Calling yourself Roma could be better, some of them look more white then the turkoman looking subhumans in that video.

Surely there are there more aesthetic looking 'famous' macedonians they can promote? My 50 year old boomer neighbours are in better shape and more attractive looking then the inbred armenoids in that video

[QUOTE=Amphipolis;176463]I'm not familiar with your stars but I counted 4 blondes that were fine.[/QUOTE]

LOL you must be low testosterone or something.

You can find hotter girls in universities in Ohrid or Skopje

The Sonce
 

Is it true that under the agreement that the old flag and the Sun symbol would be illegal in Norf Macedonia in the way a swastika in Germany?

I heard this from a cousin but also thought I read it here as well.

How did the FYROMERS get it so wrong in a time when nationalism is on the rise in Europe? They stuck it out for 27 years, then all the sudden they sold their soul and become liberal loving lesbians when everyone is walking right...

All this for what? So we can join NATO in order to support ISIS and Al Queda and blow up a few more Arab children in the process just so that a few billionaires in the states can make more money.

[QUOTE=Stojacanec;176475]Its basically a few washed up singers asking to roll out the red carpet and change what ever is need to "enter into Europe":devil2:

These people won't find it offensive:

1. Shiptar
2. Greek
3. Anti Macedonian Macedonian[/QUOTE]

That's a very simplified version ... but I see. :boat: