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Soldier of Macedon 09-06-2008 09:43 PM

[QUOTE=Truth Bearer;1079]No these people came to the Balkans around the 6th century A.D.I was refering that Greek was spoken before their arrival and since they became the majority the Greek language dissapeared and Slavic bevcame the lingua franca of the region.Now since many Slavs came all the way south to the Peloponese they didn't sustain their language and in disapeared due to the greater majority Greek speakers in Greece......
You see SoM unlike Englisgh that will survive because English is today's lingua franca thjrough schooling,education,computers,TV,movies,internet by globalisation.How did Greek survive when there was noone of that back then?How diud Latin dissapear when the powers at the time spoke Latin??The Venetians,Genoans the powers of trade throughout the sea??[/QUOTE]
You said "[I]Greek was spoken right throughout the Balkans yet by the 10th century it disapeared in the northern part of the Balkans[/I]", now you are are talking about the Greek language being spoken prior to the 6th century, you're all over the place and you seem to be having difficulties in patching up the same lies over again. It didn't take 4-500 years for the Croats and Serbs to become a majority where they live.

The Slavic-speakers of Morea and the rest of the southern Balkans didn't lose their language because of their Greek-speaking neighbours, they lost it (eventually) because they were gradually absorbed into the East Roman system.

Latin disappeared because the Greek language had a longer history in the region where it concerned trade, religion and education, many in Rome even learned Greek and imitated elements of ancient Greek culture, thank the Romans in this respect. Or would you like to thank Heraclius of Africa who re-introduced the Greek language into the East Roman Empire for practical rather than "ethnic" reasons? Was Heraclius an "ethnic Greek"? Where was Heraclius originally from?

Soldier of Macedon 09-06-2008 09:50 PM

[QUOTE=Truth Bearer;1084]So again I ask SoM how come the language Greek dissapeared throughout the Byzantine regions after the fall of Constantinople yet Greek survived in Greece??On top of that hopw can a language surve when there were no schools nor any form of education in the Balkans.[/QUOTE]
There were churches where the Greek language was dominant over others, these also acted as schools many times. And didn't I already acknowldge that there were pockets of Greek-speaking people also?

Where we differ in this respect is our views on the numerical aspect, you speak in vague terms so that it makes it easy to worm out of corners everytime I chase for some specifics.

Whichever way you look at it, it certainly had little to do with the unknown "Hellenism" which began in the late 18th/early 19th century upon initiation from outsiders.

Truth Bearer 09-06-2008 10:05 PM

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;1090] Was Heraclius an "ethnic Greek"? Where was Heraclius originally from?[/QUOTE]

Heraclius was from Sinope in the Pontian region where Greek speakers were dominant.......

Soldier of Macedon 09-06-2008 10:16 PM

Really? His Latin name was [B]Flavius Heraclius Augustus[/B], and according to historians he was born into an Armenian family from Cappadocia, which is located in Inner Asia Minor, not in the Black Sea coastal city of Sinope.

Are you wrong?

Truth Bearer 09-06-2008 10:28 PM

That's his Latin official title buddy.....About his birth place it's Sinope and he grew up in Cappadoccia and his father was part Armenian his mother was Greek and the only language he spoke was Greek.

Truth Bearer 09-06-2008 10:30 PM

And again why would he have a Greek name anyway and not a Roman or Armenian one SoM?

Soldier of Macedon 09-06-2008 10:46 PM

[QUOTE=Truth Bearer;1102]That's his Latin official title buddy.....About his birth place it's Sinope and he grew up in Cappadoccia and his father was part Armenian his mother was Greek and the only language he spoke was Greek.[/QUOTE]
That it is, his [U]Latin[/U] title. Does that make him ethnic Italian anymore than his name 'Heraclius' makes him an "ethnic Greek"? No.

What is your evidence that he was born in Sinope? I eagerly await.

What is your evidence that his mother was an "ethnic Greek"? I eagerly await.

The person who instigated the re-introduction of the Greek language on an official level in the region grew up in AFRICA, get your facts right.

Soldier of Macedon 09-06-2008 10:56 PM

[QUOTE=Truth Bearer;1103]And again why would he have a Greek name anyway and not a Roman or Armenian one SoM?[/QUOTE]
Oh please, is that all you have? Heraclius was and still is ( although rarely these days) used as a Christian name in the East Christian world. Look no further than your past president if you want to play silly games with the names of people, Constantine Karamanlis, a Latin first name and a Turkish second name, another pillar of "Hellenism" in name I take it.

Truth Bearer 09-06-2008 11:19 PM

Heaclius is not a Christian name there has never been a St Heraclius.

Truth Bearer 09-06-2008 11:34 PM

Heraclius is a Greek name meaning son of Hercules....So pls lets not get into all sorts of drivel.Why would a non Greek name himslef after Hercules a Greek Hero?Why didn't othe past Roman Emprerors name themselves as such?The last Latin Empreror was Justinian and he was born in the geographical region of Macedonia.After him all Byzantine Emprerors had Greek names.


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