[QUOTE=Tomche Makedonche;175632][url]http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/macedonia-needs-inclusive-debate-if-referendum-is-to-succeed-08-05-2018[/url]
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Macedonia Needs Inclusive Debate if Referendum is to Succeed[/B]

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Where was this wanker advocating for an inclusive debate before or during the negotiation process...instead all of these geniuses have remained silent throughout the entire rotten process until now when the grand plan may just implode...where have these cock suckers been since Zaev was installed to power in the most dubious of circumstances and this cunt is lecturing about transparency and inclusive debates...has he got the memory of a goldfish or is he still in his renowned grunken stupor that he's forgotten how the president and main opposition party, let alone the people were kept in the dark while Zaev and his band of incompetent buffoons stripped the nation of its soul...

Counter referendum.. now that’s a farking great idea..

Imagine the lefti homos brains trying to comprehend it.. “but but but your referendum was run by corrupt non democratic Russian backed gay hating nazis..”

Anketa - source: Telma

[img]https://i.imgur.com/ug9zTpn.jpg[/img]

So in other words, if the referendum was held today, the name change would pass

[QUOTE=Carlin15;175659]Anketa - source: Telma

[img]https://i.imgur.com/ug9zTpn.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

Why wouldn't it. As I outlined before you can get more than half way their with Albanians and other minorities alone. You only need about 25% of ethnic Macedobains to support it for it to pass. Again you can get that in hardcore sds voters alone. Throw in some manipulation and it's a cake walk. From the moment it was announced I had no doubts that it can get over the line with minimal effort. This is why LOMA is going to call for protests and blockades not just boycotting and hoping for the best. If Macednoians don't want this to pass then they are going to have to grow a pair and stop it.

[QUOTE=Niko777;175660]So in other words, if the
referendum was held today, the name change would pass[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gocka;175664]Why wouldn't it. As I outlined before you can get more than half way their with Albanians and other minorities alone. You only need about 25% of ethnic Macedobains to support it for it to pass. Again you can get that in hardcore sds voters alone. Throw in some manipulation and it's a cake walk. From the moment it was announced I had no doubts that it can get over the line with minimal effort. This is why LOMA is going to call for protests and blockades not just boycotting and hoping for the best. If Macednoians don't want this to pass then they are going to have to grow a pair and stop it.[/QUOTE]

But thats the thing, only 1% of ethnic macedonians should vote for the name change (the politicians) the rest should vote no to change the name. Its not a hard mathematical equation for the people in macedonia

I get 25% of the shiptar population will vote yes, but macedonians are still the majority.

I guess all will be revealed soon, pretty much the last roll of the dice for macedonia

Is it safe to assume most of the 'nema da glacam' voters are followers of the boycott movement? Or do they genuinely not give a shit? If they are followers of the boycott movement then combined with the 'no' vote they are the majority, although that won't matter in the referendum given they are divided.

Also I don't really trust telma given their affiliations with zaev.

Call me cynical but, in light of Telma's recent reporting of celebrations at Mechkin Kamen, I would question the veracity of any poll undertaken by them. They stink of of being too close to Zaev and Co. and the stench is particularly strong in the following example.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF6DcvayRI4[/url]

In it, they label Ivanov's speech and crowd behaviour as “scanalous”. Did they really expect the crowd to throw rose petals at the feet of these traitors?

[QUOTE=Karposh;175669]Call me cynical but, in light of Telma's recent reporting of celebrations at Mechkin Kamen, I would question the veracity of any poll undertaken by them. They stink of of being too close to Zaev and Co. and the stench is particularly strong in the following example.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF6DcvayRI4[/url]

In it, they label Ivanov's speech and crowd behaviour as “scanalous”. Did they really expect the crowd to throw rose petals at the feet of these traitors?[/QUOTE]

I agree that you can't trust that survey...I doubt that there would even be a scientific approach to any poll taken in Macedonia...everything seems to be a fabrication to suit whoever is in power.
Macedonia is a totally corrupt country, nothing is done according to transparency, rules, laws or values...

There was an article in Nova Makedonija about just how useless these polls are in Macedonia, which are usually taken with a sample size of 1,000 people and are generally wildly inaccurate (such as per the results of elections vs the polls leading up to them)