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Karposh 06-15-2018 10:33 PM

[QUOTE=Carlin15;173993]еве што точно кажа Грчкиот пратеник:

Пријатели од Северна Македонија, [U]както се разбрахме[/U], време е да оставиме назад всичко които не разделја и да видим напред това което е заимнето пријателство и [U]сотрудничевство[/U] и љубовта.

URL:
[url]https://republika.mk/927927[/url][/QUOTE]

I was close :001_smile:

Karposh 06-15-2018 10:41 PM

[QUOTE=Niko777;173994][B][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="5"]A Greek citizen with a Macedonian conscious was arrested in Prespa today by Greek police for talking in the Macedonian language with Macedonian journalists[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B][/QUOTE]

From Google Translate, "...Well, he sucks him from the armpit...". Huh?!

Soldier of Macedon 06-16-2018 12:06 AM

[QUOTE=Niko777;173986][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="5"][B]Greek MP from Negush region addresses Macedonians in his "native Slavic" language in Greek Parliament[/B][/SIZE][/COLOR]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmCHCqQ2BQ0[/url][/QUOTE]
A search on the net indicates that he's from the below village in Ber:

[url]https://mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Нова_Луковица[/url]
[QUOTE=""Carlin15"]еве што точно кажа Грчкиот пратеник:

– Пријатели од Северна Македонија, както се разбрахме, време е да оставиме назад всичко които не разделја и да видим напред това което е заимнето пријателство и сотрудничевство и љубовта.

URL:[url]https://republika.mk/927927[/url][/QUOTE]
Here is some more from that link above (rough translation from Macedonian to English):
[QUOTE]How they're lying to you: For the communistic media, the Bulgarian words that the Greek lawmaker addresses us with have become Macedonian.

An MP from Syriza from the Greek parliament's speaking podium made an address to "friends from Northern Macedonia" in a language that is understandable to us. If you carefully listen to his address, it is clear that the language has many Bulgarian elements, except for the word "пријатели" and the like, which is the same for both Bulgarians and Macedonians. The Bulgarian media rightly claimed that he addressed us in pure Bulgarian. "Today," said that although perhaps with good intent, the Syriza MP addressed us in Bulgarian, as evidenced by the words he used: "Както се разбрахме", "всичко", "разделја" "да видим", "това", "сотрудничество", etc. Some words, "това" for example, are used in Strumica, probably in Aegean Macedonia, but the whole context of the Greek MP's sentence, including the emphasis, points more to Bulgaria than to Macedonia.

Against this background, a dozen so-called media outlets reported that the Greek MP addressed us in the Macedonian language. After all, here's what the Greek MP said: [I][COLOR="Blue"]Friends from Northern Macedonia, as we understood it, it is time to leave back all that divides us and look forward, which is lonely friendship and cooperation and love[/COLOR][/I]. How much is this in the Macedonian language, should it warm your souls, as if, look how good the agreement is and how much the Greeks now like us, you can estimate for yourself.[/QUOTE]
In the beginning he said he will speak in Slavic, in the end he said something about "Makedoniki glosso". This MP is supposed to be from Aegean Macedonia, whether he descended from ethnic Macedonians or Turkish refugees I don't know. But I doubt he learned to use all those words (e.g: сотрудничество) from people who live nearby. And I am not so sure, from the short sentence he spoke, that it is characteristic of the region he is from. He has obviously made an effort to learn to speak like that, and he did it without having to read it all from a script, so why wouldn't he make the address in literary Macedonian, if the people in the Macedonian republic was his intended audience? Not it differed much from some Macedonian dialects in such a short sentence, but why speak in way that somewhat resembles literary Bulgarian? Is it a coincidence that there is a Bulgarian language wikipedia page on this guy yet one in Greek doesn't even exist? Perhaps. I find myself agreeing with the author of this article when it comes to the media. Some Greek MP says a few understandable and conciliatory words and the pro-Zaev media cannot wait to promote it like it's the greatest gesture of our time, all the while ignoring the underlying message of that gesture, which is give up your historical identity.

maco2envy 06-16-2018 12:07 AM

[QUOTE]Greek Foreign Minister Nikos Kotzias demanded the declassification of 33 documents that, according to announcements, would be a real "bomb" on how the negotiations between Macedonia and Greece were taking place by previous governments in both countries.

The documents have been in place since 1992 and they should show what were the proposals for the solution.

The request has been approved, and Kotzias' announcement is expected to be made tomorrow.[/QUOTE]

I guess we shall see if Gruevski was correct when he said that he rejected a agreement which was more favourable (for the Macedonians) than the current agreement.

maco2envy 06-16-2018 12:22 AM

Do you guys think the Syriza MP's address was in Bulgarian to avoid outburst or was it provocation?

Soldier of Macedon 06-16-2018 12:51 AM

[QUOTE=maco2envy;174004]Do you guys think the Syriza MP's address was in Bulgarian to avoid outburst or was it provocation?[/QUOTE]
The average Greek MP wouldn't know the difference between Macedonian and Bulgarian. They still think Albanians and Vlachs are ethnic Greeks. So I don't think it was to avoid an outburst. I also don't think it was meant to be an overt provocation towards Macedonians (but it could come across as denigrating). It was either done with good intentions but in poor taste (or research) or with sneaky intentions that included a subliminal nod to certain traitors and enemies. At this stage, I am leaning towards the last of those options.

Risto the Great 06-16-2018 02:12 AM

If he's from around voden, maybe the dialect is different enough. But if he was trying to use anything Lerinsko, he failed miserably.

Soldier of Macedon 06-16-2018 02:22 AM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;174006]If he's from around voden, maybe the dialect is different enough. But if he was trying to use anything Lerinsko, he failed miserably.[/QUOTE]
I'm skeptical because the speech sounded so formal, if it was in dialect I think it would sound more organic.

Risto the Great 06-16-2018 03:31 AM

I've spoken with Macedonians from voden and they don't even sound like that.

Soldier of Macedon 06-16-2018 03:44 AM

He's actually from a village in Ber. To your point though, the dialects of Ber fall within the broader Solun-Voden group of dialects. Here is what it states in Bulgar wiki.

[url]https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Георгиос_Урсузидис[/url]
[QUOTE]Роден е в 1961 година в земеделско семейство в берското село Ново Луковища (Неа Ликояни).[/QUOTE]
There is a Macedonian wiki page on this village which has some interesting information:

[url]https://mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Нова_Луковица[/url]
[QUOTE]По 1923 година, грчките власти тука населиле 65 бегалски семејства со вкупно 247 бегалци. Како мешана населба (селото Луковица) со македонско и грчко бегалско население, во 1928 година селото е забележано со 368 жители. Бидејќи грчките власти за бегалските семејства изградиле посебна населба во непосредна близина на старата и јужно од неа, во записот од 1940 година, па наваму, оваа населба се води како посебна и тоа како Нова Луковица, додека старата населба, за да се разликува од новата, била наречена Стара Луковица.[/QUOTE]


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