U.N charter ...
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We have a right to self determination, and no government, no mediator, no country can take that away from us. Or can they?

[QUOTE=Pelister;18635]U.N charter ...
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We have a right to self determination, and no government, no mediator, no country can take that away from us. Or can they?[/QUOTE]

Your country agreed (even if under pressure) to negotiate. That's in written. Now dislike that reality as much as you want, but this is the current situation. Does that answer your (probably rethorical question) question?

Giorikas, while some of our politicians appear piss-weak with regard to the name of our state, REGARDLESS what the 'new' proposition will be, Republic of Northern, Upper and Vardar Macedonia, or whatever, all of them are in unison that our Macedonian identity and language cannot be disputed or at risk.

Therefore........let's say we change the name to Upper Macedonia, for example....the Macedonian side and everybody else with an interest in this issue will be expecting Greece to recognize the Macedonian language and people within and outside of its borders, because I can gaurantee you that while some of our idiot politicians are willing to sell out the name of our state, NONE of them will dare tell the Macedonian Nation to stop using the identity of their people or language.

Therefore, if, hypothetically speaking, the Macedonians do make this concession and change to Upper Macedonia, what happens then........this whole issue all ends? Greece will stop behaving like a little bitch? Or will Greece pursue, until they make clear what their real intention is, to eradicate the MACEDONIAN IDENTITY in all ways?

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;18667]Giorikas, while some of our politicians appear piss-weak with regard to the name of our state, REGARDLESS what the 'new' proposition will be, Republic of Northern, Upper and Vardar Macedonia, or whatever, all of them are in unison that our Macedonian identity and language cannot be disputed or at risk.

Therefore........let's say we change the name to Upper Macedonia, for example....the Macedonian side and everybody else with an interest in this issue will be expecting Greece to recognize the Macedonian language and people within and outside of its borders, because I can gaurantee you that while some of our idiot politicians are willing to sell out the name of our state, NONE of them will dare tell the Macedonian Nation to stop using the identity of their people or language.

Therefore, if, hypothetically speaking, the Macedonians do make this concession and change to Upper Macedonia, what happens then........this whole issue all ends? Greece will stop behaving like a little bitch? Or will Greece pursue, until they make clear what their real intention is, to eradicate the MACEDONIAN IDENTITY in all ways?[/QUOTE]

You call it a concession. I call it a necessary part to move on and to find this 'mutually acceptable solution'. Greece calls the fact that 'Macedonia' will be included in the name (and I'm 100% sure that that will be included in the new name) a concession from Greece's side.
You are now adding a point on the agenda that isn't there, namely, Greece recognising Macedonian people and language within it's borders. I told you many times, Greece does not distinguish it's citizens according to ethnicity. (even if I personally, as you know, do not believe that they have an ethnicity that should be callled Macedonian)
These people are Greek citizens, and what they want to feel in their hearts, publically, or at home is completely up to them. Now please give me an example of recent Greek state-terrorism where those who identify as (non-Greek) Macedonians have been sent to death camps, throwns in jail, silenced forever for that reason.... You can't. They are on TV debating, have the right to form political parties, participate in elections and so on. That does not equal the behaviour of anybody trying to eradicate anybody else. But you know all this.

The name of the state is tied to the name of the people, just like it is in Greece, Serbia, Bulgaria, etc. Macedonians will never be known by any other name, regardless of the false concession Greece thinks it makes. I would go into more detail, but I see that you are the same racist monkey you were the last time you were banned from here, and you like to go through the same loops, poor Giorikas, you're like a Bart Simpson during Lisa's science project comparison with the lab rat.......

Ok, let me word it another way for you then. One day in the future, delegates of "Northern" Macedonia come to the Republic of Otto's Experiment in the south for some political meeting or similar, and there are foreign observers, so they have signs written in English, Greek and Macedonian, by those names.

Will Greece be asking for the name-plate identifying the ethnicity and language of the Macedonians to be changed from Macedonian to something else? Or is forcing their neighbour to change the name of their state enough racism for one century?

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;18674]The name of the state is tied to the name of the people, just like it is in Greece, Serbia, Bulgaria, etc. Macedonians will never be known by any other name, regardless of the false concession Greece thinks it makes. I would go into more detail, but I see that you are the same racist monkey you were the last time you were banned from here, and you like to go through the same loops, poor Giorikas, you're like a Bart Simpson during Lisa's science project comparison with the lab rat.......

Ok, let me word it another way for you then. One day in the future, delegates of "Northern" Macedonia come to the Republic of Otto's Experiment in the south for some political meeting or similar, and there are foreign observers, so they have signs written in English, Greek and Macedonian, by those names.

Will Greece be asking for the name-plate identifying the ethnicity and language of the Macedonians to be changed from Macedonian to something else? Or is forcing their neighbour to change the name of their state enough racism for one century?[/QUOTE]

You call me racist, and I call you an extreme nationalist who needs a reality check. Stop whining for a change and stop playing the victim, you are all writing much nastier and much more racist things about just about any neighbour. Now let's leave that behind us and move on.

What happens in the example you describe ? I guess the name plate will say for example (translated in 3 languages if you want) 'North Macedonia', the person will be called: North-Macedonian, the language will be called: 'North Macedonian'.
There will of course not be any mention of ethnicity. Just nationality (as just about everywhere else in the world). There you go again....what do you excpect, that we become racist scum like yourselves on this board by saying; here is representative A from North Macedonia, an ethnic Macedonian, and here is representative B, and ethnic Albanian Macedonian; and candidate C is the ethnic Turkish Macedonian ... Get real.

you already are racist scum giorikas.

[QUOTE=osiris;18777]you already are racist scum giorikas.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for your important imput :14: Osiris. I see you're getting better and better.

you are welcome giorikass anytime you want to hear some truths about your nasty lttle fabricated nation and ethnicity feel free to contact me.

unlike you and your soft cock pretence of liberalism, i call it as i see it and your nation was based on a racist ideal as is its oppostion to us macedonians.

like all modern greeks giorikass you are full of self loathing thats why you cling so desperately to your born again hellenic identity. being true to your slavic arvanite vlach and anatolian cultures was not good enough for your racist scum kind.

dream on wanker you are as hellenic as taramousalata tzatziki and turkish coffee.

I encourage you to write more of this brillaint analyses and hopefully there will be some neutral readers that you will convince of your truth. But we both know that that is not likely to happen apart from winning the heart and mind of the odd nazi here and there.