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Phoenix 04-16-2013 09:22 AM

[QUOTE=Big Bad Sven;142473]I personally think 'the central balkan republic' is a better option. Its the best option because it wont offend any of our neighbors.

Nimettz, the UN, NATO, the USA and everyone else have no right to tell us what our name is or blackmail us with 'tempting offer' to change our name. What a fucking farce our politicians are playing along as well.

Gruevski should be hung in public, so future politician will understand what happens to traitors[/QUOTE]

See BBS, that's my point.

We're actually making progress, albeit at a glacial pace.
In 20 years we've gone from the totally abstract 'Central Balkan Republic' to the latest incarnation of abject stupidity, "Upper".
Nimitz's imagination is pretty good for a man in the advanced stages of senility. Is there even one (1) example of such a country descriptor in the World?
In this latest offering I can see a bit of the ol' Central Balkan Republic in the 'inspiration' that bred the gem, "Upper".
It has that Banana Republic/post colonial African nation feel to it that seems to best fit Macedonia's international reputation in regards to this embarrassing and self inflicted gun shot wound to the head situation that we have absolutely no balls to extract ourselves from.

julie 04-19-2013 03:02 PM

Upper.

UpYours.

Nice. Has a certain ring to it. Not.

This name dispute is as old as my first born, almost 23 years.

Never should have been on the table, cards, whatever

ANY person that votes for any change in name other than simply macedonian , can rot in everlasting hell. Including pretty boy and his spawn gruevski the prick

sydney 04-19-2013 05:05 PM

I like it Julie. It sounds like a new campaign similar to 'Say My Name'. Maybe something like 'Upper? Up Yours!'

Vangelovski 06-18-2013 07:15 PM

Name Negotiations
 
Sorry people, there are so many name negotiation threads and I still couldn't find one. The latest from Reeker on what he thinks Macedonia should do...and the UMD gave him some sort of friendship award...

[B][SIZE=2]US Urges Macedonian Courage Over Name Dispute[/SIZE][/B]

The Deputy Assistant US Secretary of State said Macedonia should resolve its dispute with Greece with the same courage that Serbia and Kosovo have shown in reaching their recent deal.

Deputy Assistant US Secretary of State Philip Reeker told Macedonian officials in Skopje that brave decisions need be taken in the longstanding dispute with Greece over the name of the country.

“Serbia and Kosovo are an example for overcoming problematic issues,” Reeker said, referring to the milestone EU-led deal that the governments in Belgrade and Pristina struck on April 19.

“A middle ground has to be found that will enable progress in solving the name dispute,” Reeker added, after meeting Macedonian President Gjorge Ivanov and Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski on Monday.

Greece insists that Macedonia’s name implies territorial claims to its own northern province, also called Macedonia. Greece is blocking Macedonia’s entry to NATO citing the failure to resolve the issue.
Reeker repeated the point in his talks with main opposition Social Democrat leaders Zoran Zaev and Radmila Sekerinska, sources in the party said.

He noted that solving the Macedonian name dispute is crucial because its resolution will open the way for the faster integration of Macedonia into the EU.

“Brave decisions are needed over the 'name', just as they were in the dispute between Serbia and Kosovo,” Reeker said, according to party sources.

Representatives of the opposition said that the US diplomat had highlighted the fact that “statesmanlike skills are needed”.

In a statement to the media, Reeker noted that US was satisfied with the latest compromise proposals of the UN mediator on the name dispute, Matthew Nimetz.

“The process that we support is continuing. A will is needed for dialogue and progress, not only by the leaders but also by the public,” Reeker said.

The diplomat also discussed the delayed formation of a commission of inquiry into the incidents in Macedonia's parliament on December 24, 2102, which led to a prolonged political crisis in the country.

[URL="http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/us-diplomat-urges-macedonia-to-look-after-serbia-and-kosovo?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed"][URL]http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/us-diplomat-urges-macedonia-to-look-after-serbia-and-kosovo?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed[/URL][/URL]

makedonche 06-18-2013 07:49 PM

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;144011]Sorry people, there are so many name negotiation threads and I still couldn't find one. The latest from Reeker on what he thinks Macedonia should do...and the UMD gave him some sort of friendship award...

[B][SIZE=2]US Urges Macedonian Courage Over Name Dispute[/SIZE][/B]

The Deputy Assistant US Secretary of State said Macedonia should resolve its dispute with Greece with the same courage that Serbia and Kosovo have shown in reaching their recent deal.

Deputy Assistant US Secretary of State Philip Reeker told Macedonian officials in Skopje that brave decisions need be taken in the longstanding dispute with Greece over the name of the country.

“Serbia and Kosovo are an example for overcoming problematic issues,” Reeker said, referring to the milestone EU-led deal that the governments in Belgrade and Pristina struck on April 19.

“A middle ground has to be found that will enable progress in solving the name dispute,” Reeker added, after meeting Macedonian President Gjorge Ivanov and Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski on Monday.

Greece insists that Macedonia’s name implies territorial claims to its own northern province, also called Macedonia. Greece is blocking Macedonia’s entry to NATO citing the failure to resolve the issue.
Reeker repeated the point in his talks with main opposition Social Democrat leaders Zoran Zaev and Radmila Sekerinska, sources in the party said.

He noted that solving the Macedonian name dispute is crucial because its resolution will open the way for the faster integration of Macedonia into the EU.

“Brave decisions are needed over the 'name', just as they were in the dispute between Serbia and Kosovo,” Reeker said, according to party sources.

Representatives of the opposition said that the US diplomat had highlighted the fact that “statesmanlike skills are needed”.

In a statement to the media, Reeker noted that US was satisfied with the latest compromise proposals of the UN mediator on the name dispute, Matthew Nimetz.

“The process that we support is continuing. A will is needed for dialogue and progress, not only by the leaders but also by the public,” Reeker said.

The diplomat also discussed the delayed formation of a commission of inquiry into the incidents in Macedonia's parliament on December 24, 2102, which led to a prolonged political crisis in the country.

[URL="http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/us-diplomat-urges-macedonia-to-look-after-serbia-and-kosovo?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed"][URL]http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/us-diplomat-urges-macedonia-to-look-after-serbia-and-kosovo?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed[/URL][/URL][/QUOTE]

I also urge "courage" over the name dispute. I urge all Macedonians in all parts of the world to take decisive action against any individual or entity that tries to alter/manipulate/recommend/coerce/bribe or sell out and changes to the name of the Macedonian people, country language, culture, traditions or history. I urge all Macedonians world wide to have the courage to stand up and tell them " this will not happen as long as I have blood running through my veins", I urge all Macedonians to find the courage to deal with all parties who engage in any activities that puts the name of the country and people at risk, and take all necessary actions to put an end to this disgraceful assault on our basic human rights!
As for Phillip Reeker, he only has two arms, two legs, one head and most importantly -only one voice - do not let one voice or any chorus of voices take away our basic human rights to self determination! All steps must be immediately taken to stop these pricks negotiating behind closed doors about who or what we are- they don't have the right to do it unless we give them that right or make it perfectly clear, using all means available, that they are infringing on our rights and that we will no longer tolerate it, we've been tolerant for over 20 years it's time to show everyone that's enough- no more!

Stojacanec 06-19-2013 04:48 AM

I don't know what Mr Reeker is referring to. Kosovas have by resolution decided to become an autonomous nation. The Serbs make a deal not to contest that. Well in the Macedonian constitution we deny any territorial aspirations to Aegean Macedonia.

One in the same thing Reeker! We have already done in the early 90s what the Serbs did a couple of weeks ago.

Time for a reality check for all that debate on our basic rights.

George S. 06-19-2013 05:56 AM

good point stojanec.How can the name be a problem for greece.More so it's not really a dispute as only greece is disputing the name.Greece is trying to imply that macedonia name all belongs to greece.The fact they are saying this is false as macedonia as a country is entitled to it.But greece only called its acquired territory greek province of macedonia.So one is a country Macedonia & the other is a province .The two can co exist with no problem.Greece should respect that it's our perogative what we should call ourselves ,that's the right to self determination.Greece only says there is a dispute so that it forces macedonia to change her name so that the name monopoly to greece will be given.You look at how macedonia was first acquired.Also look at how greece aquired a monopoly on the macedonian sunburst symbol & forced macedonia to adopt the ventilator.It'is the same thing with the name.greece accepted a monopoly on the sunburst symbol & registered it with world authorities.Only the greeks are allowed to use it.THere are no name issues or problems greece is bs that there are so they take our rights away to call ourselves what we want.

Solid 06-19-2013 09:55 AM

"I don't know what Mr Reeker is referring to. Kosovas have by resolution decided to become an autonomous nation"

Kosovo*

George S. 06-19-2013 04:47 PM

The Deputy Assistant US Secretary of State said Macedonia should resolve its dispute with Greece with the same courage that Serbia and Kosovo have shown in reaching their recent deal.What dispute,there is nolegitimate dispute.Macedonia does not dispute its name.Greece can call it's province what it want's.We all know the history but greece wants a monopoly on the name to preclude macedonia from using its own name self determination.When the macedonian constitution was drawn up greece interferred in putting clauses.So all macedonia did is to capitulate to the greek bully without foundation.So that backed into a corner of being asked to compromise or capitulate.Greece will get's its way as long as macedonia is a ready & willing partner in the name change game.How stupid & silly is it the greeks are allways in a win win situation.Macedonia if it changes it's name will be the big loser.

Vangelovski 06-19-2013 07:09 PM

Macedonians still playing the game...

[URL="http://www.mkd.mk/makedonija/politika/grcija-i-bugarija-si-go-storija-svoeto"][URL]http://www.mkd.mk/makedonija/politika/grcija-i-bugarija-si-go-storija-svoeto[/URL][/URL]

Always wanting to do it the impossible way.


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