How crazy it is.It could only happen in macedonia.Gruevski would have to be one of the biggest traitors to the macedonian cause there is.He so readily capitulates & gives in to macedonias enemies greece.The change of name will mean the DEATH knell of macedonia.
Seriously if he compromises on the name that will be it the end.

Very Sad to see this is happening...
If this and I say "IF" goes ahead "Name Change"...I think many Macedonians outside of Macedonia will lose Faith and respect to their Country, Identity and culture...

[QUOTE=George S.;91252]How crazy it is.It could only happen in macedonia.Gruevski would have to be one of the biggest traitors to the macedonian cause there is.He so readily capitulates & gives in to macedonias enemies greece.The change of name will mean the DEATH knell of macedonia.
Seriously if he compromises on the name that will be it the end.[/QUOTE]
He has already done it George.

[QUOTE=The LION will ROAR;91253]Very Sad to see this is happening...
If this and I say "IF" goes ahead "Name Change"...I think many Macedonians outside of Macedonia will lose Faith and respect to their Country, Identity and culture...[/QUOTE]

TLWR, I will include you in the rest of the CONFUSED and DELUDED bunch!:laugh:

What do you think for nearly 20 years FYROM for ALL INTERNATIONAL USE IS if NOT A CHANGE OF NAME? Crawl out from under the rock you and your ilk are hiding under and smell the coffee, mate!!!

As for your claim that "many Macedonians outside of Macedonia will lose Faith and respect to their Country, Identity and culture", one would have to be TOTALLY DELUDED to think that this has not been happening SIGNIFICANTLY at every turn of major treachery by the VASSAL ruling elites in MK, starting with 1993/1995 and accelerated by the 2001 FATAL blow to national sovereignty.

[quote=OziMak;91251]Yes we have.



No…in my recollection I think I said [I]Time will tell us[/I] and fortunately it is a short time so you wont have too much time to huff and puff and go red in the cheeks…weeeeell just red in the cheeks.

By the way YOU'RE the one who said 1 of 3 options.

Guys remember good oil bad oil…rates are still the same…

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbBLDBohgrY&feature=related"]YouTube - eTrade Monkey[/URL][/quote]

What 3 options did I provide?

[QUOTE=indigen;91260]TLWR, I will include you in the rest of the CONFUSED and DELUDED bunch!:laugh:

What do you think for nearly 20 years FYROM for ALL INTERNATIONAL USE IS if NOT A CHANGE OF NAME? Crawl out from under the rock you and your ilk are hiding under and smell the coffee, mate!!!

As for your claim that "many Macedonians outside of Macedonia will lose Faith and respect to their Country, Identity and culture", one would have to be TOTALLY DELUDED to think that this has not been happening SIGNIFICANTLY at every turn of major treachery by the VASSAL ruling elites in MK, starting with 1993/1995 and accelerated by the 2001 FATAL blow to national sovereignty.[/QUOTE]

indigen, I try to avoid in political debate as it's not my strong point..
You are right in what you say and I my message didn't come across right Maybe I shouldn't of posted as I rarely do on these topics..
But I can say that Macedonians have been disappointed time and time again in the last 20years..and yes it was the biggest blow 20 years ago and in 2001...
But as the saying goes " YOU LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES" ...I guess that Macedonians haven't learnt anything from this..and you wouldn't of thought they'll do the same bullshit again

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;91268]What 3 options did I provide?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Anybody who continues to support Gruevski from this point onwards can only be considered [B]one of three things:[/B] (1) a traitor, or (2) ignorant.[/QUOTE]

You are right that you didn’t say what the third options is…you left it blank…maybe it was unintentional to have 3 and that’s how I understood it but none the less took the opportunity to present to the members an alternate possible explanation for the actions. The fact of the actions in indisputable but just maybe the reason for the action is not the one that appears on face value.

I don’t believe its over until its over. Dark clouds may hang overhead and even thunder can be clapping and I wont say its over until its over…ne mi dava dusata da izlezat zborojte od usta…the identity is Not lost until I see it lost and even then I wont believe it. Its just how I am.

Eg. Just 1 example…I’ve fought councils and angry neighbors on planning permits and as long as I believed I had the law and right on my side and believed I would win I have never given up before hand and touch wood prevailed.

Maybe you guys know something I don’t but I just cannot accept the thought we have come this far to now loose the identity. Maybe I’m delusional but its what helps me get up in the morning.

[quote=OziMak;91288]You are right that you didn’t say what the third options is…you left it blank…maybe it was unintentional to have 3 and that’s how I understood it but none the less took the opportunity to present to the members an alternate possible explanation for the actions. The fact of the actions in indisputable but just maybe the reason for the action is not the one that appears on face value.

I don’t believe its over until its over. Dark clouds may hang overhead and even thunder can be clapping and I wont say its over until its over…ne mi dava dusata da izlezat zborojte od usta…the identity is Not lost until I see it lost and even then I wont believe it. Its just how I am.

Eg. Just 1 example…I’ve fought councils and angry neighbors on planning permits and as long as I believed I had the law and right on my side and believed I would win I have never given up before hand and touch wood prevailed.

Maybe you guys know something I don’t but I just cannot accept the thought we have come this far to now loose the identity. Maybe I’m delusional but its what helps me get up in the morning.[/quote]

Ozimak, do you even know who you're debating with? Your delusion is much further advanced than you think...

I think Gruevski is playing a game of strategy here, he has offered a name that he knew the Greeks would not accept. By doing this he is playing them for fools. They look bad in the world community and Macedonia looks like it folds easily to demands .... all in the name of being hospitable. It is like he is the ultimate Super Poker Player (SPP) .... he rocks, he should go to Las Vegas and clean up! I can see him now with big gold rings with lots of bling .... a big cigar in his mouth .... shouting "samo napred" whilst the casino attendant adjusts her bunny ears.

I also like the new flag, it is really bold and vivid and the same symbol has been found on a rock in Podmochani.

And I like it when people are so thick that they like everything and assume too much.

[QUOTE=OziMak;91246]The purpose of a dummy offer is to look good and win more out of a decision being made…in this case the ICJ and the court of public opinion. If any of you have tried to negotiate with hostile parties you’ll know what I mean.[/QUOTE]
I was going to put up three, with the third being (3) confused. But I thought it more appropriate to lump those 'confused' as either ignorant or traitors, because after all of the exposure regarding our plight, there is no excuse for 'confusion'. It is really simple. You're either there with eyes open, ignorant of what is in front of you, or a traitor. No room for shades of grey. I just forgot to change it to TWO because I was in a rush, but it is corrected now.

The quote above, in addition to the rest of your rabble about some 'dummy' offer or whatever you were on about, is your usual incoherent smoke-a-pipe-and-post clownery.
[QUOTE]You are right that you didn’t say what the third options is…you left it blank…[/QUOTE]
You see what happens when you post under the influence of whatever you're addicted to? You're all over the place, and don't even know who you're addressing.