[quote=OziMak;86713]Ke vidime…ama ako chastis za priznavajneto na Republika Makedonia eden den ke go spomnis Ivanov I Gruevski ili ne.[/quote]

Ozimak,

I think you should rename yourself merry-go-round. Do I need to explain why Gruevski and Ivanov are traitors? Do you have amnesia? Is the name the only issue by which they should be judged on their performance and political views?

[quote=OziMak;86647]RTG if your lawyer said you could win these points...90 percent of what you want...but the last few are dubious to impossible and pursuing them would jeopardise all the first points would you have him shot too…pushing for unification at this time is not possible particularly without a current treaty to back this up.[/quote]

Are you now smoking Prolet's stash? What are you on about?

AOzimak i hope you have read that speech by gruevski which confirms everything that they are going to compromise.Have you read the bs that they will not change the name but they are willing to compromise to find a mutually acceptable name acceptable to athens.Why do you think ozimak the macedonian politicians were called to a secret meeting to discuss the name issue in athens.It's an open & shut case you might as well start calling them traitors of the highest order.

oh Come On Vangelovski i thought we already went through this?

Enough of your Kleveti, pick a side and tell us who you're supporting otherwise you're nothing more then a plukach. If you dont like Gjorgje Ivanov and Nikola Gruevski then who do you support? Sestra Ljube or Ljubco Georgievski? If you think there is somebody better then Gruevski and Ivanov by all means lets hear who they are and what have they done for our country.

[quote=Prolet;86784]oh Come On Vangelovski i thought we already went through this?

Enough of your Kleveti, pick a side and tell us who you're supporting otherwise you're nothing more then a plukach. If you dont like Gjorgje Ivanov and Nikola Gruevski then who do you support? Sestra Ljube or Ljubco Georgievski? If you think there is somebody better then Gruevski and Ivanov by all means lets hear who they are and what have they done for our country.[/quote]

Cheech,

Why on earth would any critical thinking Macedonian support any of them? What "sides" are you talking about? What criteria did you use to differentiate between one set of traitors and another?

More importantly, how many bongs have you smoked today?

[QUOTE=Ljubanec;86738]I am not so sceptical..... Why even bother lobbying Syria, Zimbabwe and just recently Bolivia? Though Syria was practically given to us by Greece for conducting a joint combat exercise with Israel, but it still takes effort and $$ to get these countries to recognize us. Why bother with lobbying? It doesn't make sense to say it is a foregone conclusion.

Actually it would be interesting to note how many nations recognized Macedonia under branko.[/QUOTE]

I love it how people ignored your post as it is very relevant.

One mite also add, why take greece to the ICJ if it was going to capitulate?why has it not done so yet?

[quote=Volk;86793]One mite also add, why take greece to the ICJ if it was going to capitulate?why has it not done so yet?[/quote]

Its been two years and you have had the whole ICJ fiasco explained to you numerous times. How is it you still do not understand it?

[QUOTE=George S.;86373]Does anyone have any emails addresses of ivanov & gruevski so that we can all tell them off ??[/QUOTE]

Nikola Gruevski - [email][email protected][/email]

More government contact info is on the Our Name is Macedonia webpage and we'll be adding more as we get them.

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[QUOTE=Vangelovski;86795]Its been two years and you have had the whole ICJ fiasco explained to you numerous times. How is it you still do not understand it?[/QUOTE]

Its a piece of a puzzle, please do not pretent to understand yourself becuause you have been proven wrong on many occasions.

Fact of the matter is, only Gruevski himself knows and he has been walking a tight rope the whole time.He has said things for both domestic and IC consumption.

I have a question for you Tom, what does Macedonia stand to gain from capitulation? Why would it do so, particularly with the shape of the EU? Why has it been winking to NATO alternatives, and Eastern nations like Russia, China and Israel? do you know why?

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;86779]Are you now smoking Prolet's stash? What are you on about?[/QUOTE]

Prolet and I cant even agree on what beer to drink…he Skopsko I Zlato Rog…let alone whatever he smokes or not.

RTG was saying…Post019
[I]In diplomatic terms, he is saying Macedonia will not be a winner in this process. If I was going to recruit a leader for my army and he said something like this, I would have him shot.[/I]

Not all battles are winnable totally so should a subordinate or hired lawyer be shot if being frank with you said [I]you could win 90 percent of what you want but winning everything is impossible.[/I]

Winning the recognition of the name identity and language is the core issue for Macedonia. Achieving unity is the ultimate end but unattainable at this time. A frank admission of this by your representative may disappoint or even enrage you but not necessarily grounds for shooting someone.