[QUOTE=Akzion;85418]That's not fully correct. Actually, we neither recognise a (separate) Macedonian nation (ancient or modern) nor identify it with you.[/QUOTE]

Why not?

I assume its because you feel 'Macedonian' yourself, or so we are lead to believe...

I wonder if you have the honesty and self respect to tell us when you developed these strong beliefs in your own identity as a 'Macedonian'...

From my experiences here in australia I'm aware that no greek ever considered himself 'Macedonian'...the very word was treated with total disdain, that was until the late 1980's and early 1990's which coincided with the growing independence movements in the former Yugoslavia and the powerful push to this end by Macedonians in the diaspora...

From that moment onwards things changed quite dramitically for the 'greeks' and their new found identity as 'Macedonians'...

phoenix the greeks are trying to countereact to macedonia.Those people that are greek over the border hardly ever mentioned that they were also macedonian now they do.

[QUOTE=Phoenix;85421]Why not?

[B]I assume its because you feel 'Macedonian' yourself, or so we are lead to believe...

I wonder if you have the honesty and self respect to tell us when you developed these strong beliefs in your own identity as a 'Macedonian'...[/B]

From my experiences here in australia I'm aware that no greek ever considered himself 'Macedonian'...the very word was treated with total disdain, that was until the late 1980's and early 1990's which coincided with the growing independence movements in the former Yugoslavia and the powerful push to this end by Macedonians in the diaspora...

From that moment onwards things changed quite dramitically for the 'greeks' and their new found identity as 'Macedonians'...[/QUOTE]

[B]It was in 1988 the Greeks started labelling everything Macedonian. I remember the news report on TV well.[/B] Prior to this they called it province of Northern Greece. From no pride at all in the word Macedonian to labelling everything eg from road signs to canned goods is a dramatic shift and very noticeable they just hope a long enough time will go by that nobody remembers and they can then say they have always ie for 4000 years called it Macedonia.

Akzion or i should say Thessaloniki

Macedonia was never yours acient or present the only thing you greeks steal is our culture and claim it was yours. Your not even a greek you Vlach! why dont your country go and reaserch who you really are before you take ours.

If Macedonia was yours and claim it to be your northern prefixure then why the hell doesnt one single greek who lives there understand macedonian if we speak this language to them. They look at you with a dumb look on their faces. and spare us well "there are macedonians who speak both BS".

[QUOTE=Akzion;85418]That's not fully correct. Actually, we neither recognise a (separate) Macedonian nation (ancient or modern) nor identify it with you.[/QUOTE]

Who is "we" Akzion? Can you please define who we is?

I have a hard time trying to reconcile this thought process. Mainly because there are so many Macedonians that have escaped/fled/emigrated out of Aeg Macedonia.

Their perception of what Macedonia is (both ancient and modern) is poles apart from your comment above.

I had one greek put it down to (sic) "they where all brainwashed" by the tito govenment. Even though many never went to the Rep of Macedonia.:wacko:

If Macedonia was 4000 Greek (cough) how can they be brainwashed over a few years?

I'll answer that stojanec it's called greek propaganda of which they so readily propagate to theres as if it's truth.We know it's a whole lot of lies & bullshit.There is a lot of bullshit propaganda floating arround as the state of greece has gone litrraly into overdrive ,engaging in lterary crusades,writing bs & crap how the macedonians aren't macedonian but we know they exist.Paying journalists to lie about macedonia.Bribing professors in overseas universities.Greece has done so much to deny & destroy the macedonian nation & has got away with it that it all defies logic.ASk yourselves back in 1913 how can one country belong to four other countries it just defies logic.The four countries deliberately decided to divide macedonia up & each has sprung it's own version of what the truth is.These people like Akzion are a bunch of brainwashed zombies who got nothing better to do them spread crap that they are macedonian just because they live in a geographical place called macedonia of which their govt illegally occupied it in 1913.Why should we show any respect to such garbage & fakery.Not only that but people who keep coming back as others after they been banned.Admin should check these people out & ban them for good.

[QUOTE=George S.;85498]I'll answer that stojanec it's called greek propaganda of which they so readily propagate to theres as if it's truth.We know it's a whole lot of lies & bullshit.There is a lot of bullshit propaganda floating arround as the state of greece has gone litrraly into overdrive ,engaging in lterary crusades,writing bs & crap how the macedonians aren't macedonian but we know they exist.Paying journalists to lie about macedonia.Bribing professors in overseas universities.Greece has done so much to deny & destroy the macedonian nation & has got away with it that it all defies logic.ASk yourselves back in 1913 how can one country belong to four other countries it just defies logic.The four countries deliberately decided to divide macedonia up & each has sprung it's own version of what the truth is.These people like Akzion are a bunch of brainwashed zombies who got nothing better to do them spread crap that they are macedonian just because they live in a geographical place called macedonia of which their govt illegally occupied it in 1913.Why should we show any respect to such garbage & fakery.Not only that but people who keep coming back as others after they been banned.Admin should check these people out & ban them for good.[/QUOTE]

Your write George S. It is all fabricated bs.

I only seem to have trouble with the so called Greeks when I tell them I’m Macedonian .

When you mention the word Macedonian to them without fitting the word Greek or Hellarse you can see their head turn into a tikva.

Macedonian….durrrr…which part? Mind you not all.

Political problems aside I meet many others, Serbian, Bulgarian, Albanian, Bosnian etc. I never have that kind of conversation…ie their heads don’t turn into a tikva.

But its only our Greek neighbours that know the truth of a 4000 year Greek existence in Macedonia, knowing that half of their population was transplanted in Aeg Mkd less than 100 years ago.

If you look at their official reason for the non recognition of our name its not because we don’t exist as Macedonians, their excuse is we have territorial pretentions on the Macedonian part in Greece.

Surely that is a front whereby they are more worried about their own people wanting to break away rather than Macedonians from the Republic wanting to take it.

the greeks want to monopolise everything look at the flag the minute the macedonians change their flag the greeks went out & registered the 16 ray sun as a greek symbol.now try & use it they will sue you.
The same with the name they want macedonia to capitulate & change so that they can
monopolise it.I have a problem with the greeks they think that they are macedonian when they are not ,They won't recognise us as macedonians because of their brainwashing.

The greeks simply want to destroy Macedonia That way they don't have to give back northern greece to the macedonians.But they are so psyched up in such a frenzy that they seriously think macedonia will threaten them which is not true.

Did I miss something here? GeorgeS and Stojacanec, are you guys agreeing or arguing?