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A-Lion-The-Kiss 10-20-2010 10:38 AM

OziMak, Daskalot
The picture (from a Greek newspaper) is irrelevant with Mexico and recognition. It's a private joke for TrueMacedonian and his comment in the above post (#14), so you shouldn't bother.
Actually, you shouldn't bother about Mexico either. It probably looks like a man whose word means nothing. So, what they said in 2008, or 2009 or last month or last week is not important if it changes all the time.
[IMG]http://mexico-travel.com/images/mexicofan.jpg[/IMG]

Bill77 10-20-2010 04:17 PM

[QUOTE=A-Lion-The-Kiss;74749]OziMak, Daskalot
The picture (from a [B]Greek[/B] newspaper) is irrelevant with Mexico and recognition. [/QUOTE]Let me correct your sentence.

(from a [B]"so called" Greek[/B] newspaper)

do you still dispute it? :whistling:

Daskalot 10-21-2010 12:59 AM

[QUOTE=A-Lion-The-Kiss;74749]OziMak, Daskalot
The picture (from a Greek newspaper) is irrelevant with Mexico and recognition. It's a private joke for TrueMacedonian and his comment in the above post (#14), so you shouldn't bother.
Actually, you shouldn't bother about Mexico either. It probably looks like a man whose word means nothing. So, what they said in 2008, or 2009 or last month or last week is not important if it changes all the time.
[/QUOTE]

No translation given thus I will promptly remove it.

fyrOM 10-22-2010 12:37 AM

[I]Looks like the greeks are still on about the idea there were ancient Macedonians which some were assimilated by the greeks while others were assimilated by the Slavs and hence we have two types of Macedonians and hence no monopolisation of the name Macedonia should happen.

Basically getting countries to recognise Macedonia ie in effect telling the Greeks we do not believe your version is one way around this point. The historical information gathered goes towards this action.

Another way which I hope for every day is something gets dugg up in the archaeological diggs which clearly shows the greeks are wrong.[/I]

[B]According to former GREEK GRADUATE Evangelos Kofos

Greece has no more room for discounts[/B]

[url]http://www.vest.com.mk/default.asp?ItemID=AD6682A53F87B2418AAF217BFA56B794[/url]

Greece withdrew as he could. The idea is no monopolization of the Macedonian name. If this is accepted by the other side, I think it will open the way for compromise ", said Evangelos Kofos

Although considered that Macedonia and Greece only through dialogue and talks can resolve the dispute, senior adviser on Balkan history in the Greek Foundation for European and Foreign Policy Evangelos Kofos, however, the question of how to reach a compromise when Greece has red lines, he replied that Athens has no room for failure.
"Everyone has red lines that begin sometime back and retreated, until reaching the wall is red. It happened with the Greek position. We started with no northern Macedonia from Greece, that no Macedonians, and not to use word Macedonia. Greece withdrew as he could. The idea is no monopolization of the Macedonian name. If this is accepted by the other side, I think it will open the way for compromise ", said Evangelos Kofos, a former adviser to the Balkans in the Greek Foreign raboti.Toj was teaching at the University of FON on the relations between Macedonia and Greece
Kofos repeatedly stressed that both countries are negotiating the name, but the problem is the clash of identities - that of the Greek Macedonians and the Macedonians in this country.
However, according Kofos, governments can not be a decision to change their identity, and finds that he needs to find a solution to the world as a distinguished Greek Macedonians and Macedonians in Macedonia.

Risto the Great 10-22-2010 12:52 AM

Look at how despicably dumb these ignorant Greeks are:
[QUOTE]the problem is the clash of identities - that of the Greek Macedonians and the Macedonians in this country.
However, according Kofos, governments can not be a decision to change their identity, and finds that he needs to find a solution to the world as a distinguished Greek Macedonians and Macedonians in Macedonia.[/QUOTE]
We have "Greek Macedonians" trying to force Macedonians to have a composite name. They already have one .... the ignorant tikvi

indigen 11-08-2010 10:37 PM

Macedonians are being brainwashed to avoid saying MACEDONIA...
 
...by the political establishment in Ramkovist Macedonia, the state institutions under their control, their PUPPET support groups in the Diaspora and those who follow their lead out of ignorance!

Do you agree or disagree?

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02-13-2010, 02:41 AM #98
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UMD has never defended the term 'FYROM.' UMD does not support the name "the
former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" and definitely does not support acronyms.
This is ridiculous. [SIZE=4][COLOR=Red]The name of Macedonia is Republic of Macedonia.[/COLOR][/SIZE]

[URL="http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showpost.php?p=37638&postcount=98"][/URL][URL]http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showpost.php?p=37638&postcount=98[/URL][/quote]Advocating entry into EU and NATO under the terms of the "Interim Accord" is
advocating for FYROM and ENDORSEMENT of the TREASONOUS "IA" itself! If you or
anyone else can not comprehend that, then you have an IQ of an OVCA (Sheep) and
are beyond redemption, IMHO! :-)

FYI: Macedonia's rightful name is MACEDONIA and the addition of the
constitutional reference "Republic" is a COMPROMISE OFFER that IS
deceptively presented as being the "real and only" name of the country.

[URL="http://www.voanews.com/macedonian/news/VOA-Macedonian-Kristina-Kramer-Macedonian-language-Macedonia-Greece-105703563.html"][B]Professor Kramer on Macedonia and Macedonians:[/B][/URL]

"....Професорката наведува дека не е политичар, туку лингвист, но сепак, не може да
ја сфати суштината на спорот околу името.

[B][COLOR=Red]„Македонија е Македонија. Македонскиот јазик е македонски јазик. Македонскиот
народ е македонскиот народ.[/COLOR][/B] Не ми е јасно во што е прашањето. Зошто една
држава може да вели дека од ден-денес, оваа држава, овој народ, овој јазик треба
да најде друго име. [B][COLOR=Red]Веќе има име и името е Македонија“[/COLOR][/B], вели Крамер...."

[URL="http://www.voanews.com/macedonian/news/VOA-Macedonian-Kristina-Kramer-Macedonian-language-Macedonia-Greece-105703563.html"]
[/URL]

Risto the Great 11-08-2010 11:00 PM

[QUOTE=indigen;77246][URL="http://www.voanews.com/macedonian/news/VOA-Macedonian-Kristina-Kramer-Macedonian-language-Macedonia-Greece-105703563.html"][B]Professor Kramer on Macedonia and Macedonians:[/B][/URL]

"....Професорката наведува дека не е политичар, туку лингвист, но сепак, не може да
ја сфати суштината на спорот околу името.

[B][COLOR=Red]Македонија е Македонија. Македонскиот јазик е македонски јазик. Македонскиот
народ е македонскиот народ.[/COLOR][/B] Не ми е јасно во што е прашањето. Зошто една
држава може да вели дека од ден-денес, оваа држава, овој народ, овој јазик треба
да најде друго име. [B][COLOR=Red]Веќе има име и името е Македонија[/COLOR][/B], вели Крамер...."

[URL="http://www.voanews.com/macedonian/news/VOA-Macedonian-Kristina-Kramer-Macedonian-language-Macedonia-Greece-105703563.html"]
[/URL][/QUOTE]

It is always nice when non-Macedonians say this.
It is always bad when Macedonians cannot say this.

indigen 11-08-2010 11:17 PM

[quote=Risto the Great;77254]It is always nice when non-Macedonians say this.
It is always bad when Macedonians cannot say this.[/quote]

Regrettably very, very TRUE, RTG.
There seems to be a NAUSEATING campaign emanating from the Macedonian Government and their agencies to just parrot-like keep pretending that the name of the state is nothing other than "Republic of Macedonia" ("Republika Makedonija") even for home consumption and the use of the conventional short form name Macedonia is avoided like the plague, especially by the younger individuals (ministers or otherwise).

Pelister 11-09-2010 12:56 AM

They have to forget about that racist shithole the E.U - not becoming a member will not be the end of the world, we will go on existing as long as we stay true to who we are. The trouble is that the Macedonians are trying to 'buy' their way to 'recognition' (in the same way that Meto Koloski has been trying to 'sell' our willingness to compromise on the name), and as the New Greeks place copyright restrictions on the name, and the symbol, the Macedonians don't know how to defend themselves, legally and historically against such 'retrictions' on their identity. The FIRST STEP toward the defence of our identity is to stop negotiating immediately.

julie 11-09-2010 01:26 AM

Absolutely Pelister. The brainwashing must stop. Negotations must stop. Macedonians must stop allowing the genocide of their own nation.


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