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fyrOM 06-27-2010 04:56 PM

[I]Did the government blink to soon and could have avoided the accord. Possibly.
Definetly.
Quote:
And this is the sore point for many Macedonians.
Should be for all Macedonians.[/I]

SoM I donít know how hard they tried. There was a brief slim opportunity. To try and fail is one thing but to fail from not trying is totally something else. Which was it. donít know without being privy to the meetings.

fyrOM 06-27-2010 05:00 PM

[B]Scaremongering from the eu or something real. I guess we will see in a few weeks.[/B]

[B]Communication between Gruevski and Papandreou may result in a settlement of the name[/B]

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Prizren, June 26, 2010 (AP) - Unable to comment on someone else's statement. Веројатно тој има информации штом дал таква изјава. Perhaps he had information when making such a statement. Меѓутоа, комуникацијата што постои во последно време и дијалогот меѓу премиерот Груевски и премиерот Папандреу укажува дека се стекнува доверба што може да резултира со решение. However, there is a communication lately and dialogue between Prime Minister and Prime Minister Papandreou indicates that acquires confidence that can result in a settlement. Тоа решение мора да биде во рамки на Обединетите Нации, односно процесот што го води медијаторот Нимиц. That solution must be within the United Nations or the process leading mediator Nimetz.

Ова е одговорот на претседателот на Република Македонија Ѓорге Иванов, кој учествува на регионалната лидерска средба во Призрен, на новинарско прашање во врска со изјавата на министерот за надворешни работи на Белгија Стивен Ванекере дека спорот за името меѓу Македонија и Грција ќе се реши за неколку седмици, јави известувачот на МИА. This is the answer to the President of the Republic of Macedonia George Ivanov, participating in a regional leadership meeting in Prizren, when asked about the statement by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Belgium Steven Vanekere that the name dispute between Macedonia and Greece will be solved in a few weeks , MIA reports.

Претстојното белгиско претседателство со ЕУ располага со информации дека спорот за името меѓу Македонија и Грција ќе се реши за неколку седмици. Belgian upcoming EU presidency has information that the name dispute between Greece and Macedonia will be settled for several weeks. Тоа, пренесе ĄДојче велеď, го кажал вчера шефот на белгиската дипломатија Стивен Ванекере, одговарајќи на новинарско прашање дали под белгиско претседателство со ЕУ ќе биде усвоена препораката за старт на пристапните преговори со Македонија. It delivered Deutsche Welle, "he said yesterday the head of the Belgian diplomacy Steven Vanekere, responding to a question whether under the Belgian presidency of the EU will adopt the recommendation to start accession negotiations with Macedonia.

- Вчера повторно имав контакти со важни луѓе од областа на надворешните работи, на сите им е јасно дека е важна дискретноста во преговорите кои се одвиваат меѓу Грција и претставниците на ПЈРМ за да можат да донесат решение. - Yesterday again I had contacts with important people in the area of foreign affairs, all are clearly important diskretnosta in the negotiations taking place between representatives of Greece and FYROM in order to make a decision. Но, треба да бидеме дискретни, ова е нешто што би требало да се реши во следниве седмици, нема да давам изјави кои би можеле да му наштетат на процесот, но мислам дека ќе се изнајде решение, рече Ванакере. But we need to be discrete, this is something that should be resolved in the following weeks, would not give said that could harm the process, but I think you will find a solution, said Vanakere.

fyrOM 06-27-2010 05:05 PM

[url]http://www.idividi.com.mk/vesti/makedonija/610357/index.html[/url]

fyrOM 06-27-2010 05:06 PM

donít know what happened but Google translate gone nuts.
This is the original link.

Makedonetz 06-27-2010 07:44 PM

Athens and Skopje to negotiate, Nimetz will bring

[b]Belgian upcoming EU presidency has information that the name dispute between Macedonia and Greece will be solved within a few weeks[/b]
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Mediator Matthew Nimetz's name is expected to soon adopt a proposal in Skopje and Athens, which will make a breakthrough to resolve the dispute to a NATO summit in November.

Diplomatic sources familiar with the negotiating process said that Nimetz may come soon in both countries, or decide to call on the negotiators in New York, after recently been seriously shift the deadlock in talks on the name.

The upcoming Belgian Presidency of the EU that has information on the name dispute between Macedonia and Greece will be solved in a few weeks. That, he delivered yesterday Deutsche Welle, said the head of Belgian diplomacy, Steven Vanekere, responding to a question whether under the Belgian presidency of the EU will adopt the recommendation to start accession negotiations with Macedonia. That, he delivered yesterday Deutsche Welle, said the head of Belgian diplomacy, Steven Vanekere, responding to a question whether under the Belgian presidency of the EU will adopt the recommendation to start accession negotiations with Macedonia.

Yesterday again I had contacts with important people in the area of foreign affairs, all are clearly important in diskretnosta negotiations take place between representatives of Greece and FYROM in order to make a decision. But we should be discreet, this is something that should be resolved in the following weeks, I will not give statements that could harm the process, but I think there is a solution - Vanakere said. But we should be discreet, this is something that should be solved in the following weeks, I will not give statements that could harm the process, but I think there is a solution - Vanakere said.

As already announced, it seems has found a platform on which to negotiate intensively, and the scene is restored variant of the name with a remark in parentheses. The battle, according to our information is held about which word will be in parentheses. The battle, according to our information, run overa word will be in parentheses. The terms "new" and "Glory" turned out in the first moment. The terms "new" and "glory" dropped in the first moment. Our sources briefing there is a qualitative step in the process and enhance the bargaining position of Macedonia, which according to them, the passive player, who generally refused Greek proposals now actively
according to them, the passive player who generally refused Greek proposals are now actively working towards a solution that would be passed by both sides. Greece expressed the greatest interest in the scope of use as the second part of the package that is discussed. Greece expressed the greatest interest in the scope of use as the second part of the package that is discussed. Third part of the package is the referendum, the U.S. government insist can not be a negative campaign against the referendum. Third
part of the package is the referendum, the US government insist can not be a negative campaign against the referendum.

Greek daily "Kathimerini", meanwhile, yesterday came up with analysis that Gruevski would not step down from the double formula and would accept the geographical reference as the "age" only if we recognize the language and nation.

"Slave-Macedonian leaders will make concessions when talking about the solution does not think anything else but a variant of the double formula, which means one name for Greece and the constitutional name worldwide and normally for internal use, something that is not Athens agrees. Or at a pinch, according to the stories of those who know how thinking can not accept modification of the constitutional name, with a determinant at the end like 'Vardar Macedonia', but this would happen only if they recognize the language and the nation . Or at a pinch, according to the stories of those who know how thinking can not accept modification of the constitutional name, with a determinant at the end like 'Vardar Macedonia', but this would happen only
if they recognize the language and nation. But you'll find a Greek government that would recognize the existence of the Macedonian people who had been expelled from Greece and is now concentrated within FYROM, sending irredentism in moments when in our opinion is that Skopje forge our history, "evaluated" Kathimerini ". But you'll find a Greek government that would recognize the existence of the Macedonian people who had been expelled from Greece and is now concentrated on the borders of FYROM, sending irredentism in moments when in our opinion is that Skopje forge our history, "evaluated" Kathimerini ". Author: Ivan Kostovska Author: Ivan Kostovska

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Nimitz as a negotator or mediator needs to firstly call us by our constitutional name and not FYROM. WOnder how much validity these reports are showing between greece and Macedonia. :3:

Soldier of Macedon 06-27-2010 09:30 PM

It's happening now, it's happened yesterday, an imminent decision, one more week, bla, bla, bla......[U][B]MACEDONIA, PULL OUT OF THESE TREACHEROUS NEGOTIATIONS[/B][/U].

Daniel the Great 06-27-2010 11:46 PM

The only name i will accept is Macedonia, there is no other name that i can accept.
It is time to end name negotiations once and for all, lets just hope that the Macedonian government dose not give into European and Greek pressure.

MacoLionHeartSun 06-28-2010 12:15 AM

Stop all negotiations with Greece and continue on as Macedonia for Macedonians and the world will follow, Greece is like a screaming little child, Macedonia stop paying attention and the child will soon listen.......:14:

Pelister 06-28-2010 12:26 AM

People seem to forget that it is our history and identity that is on the negotiating table right now. That is not acceptable.

The Greeks want us exterminated. How to actually bring about the political extinction of the Macedonian Republic must have been something the New Greek spent alot of time thinking about. The solution to that problem was 'the negotiations'. I've said it before the 'negotiations' are nothing more than a vehicle to bring about the extermination of our Nation, our identity and our culture. The whole point of this process is to get the Macedonians to do it themselves, either unilaterally, which mens one man making the decision, or putting it to a vote. At best this means 25% of our country which are not Macedonians will have a say in the our extinction. Why would we even put ourselves in such a position? Our country stands on the brink of extinction, and I still hear UMD'ists spinning the usual bullshit that 'we have no choice'. They are not willing to see just how dangerous these talks are for us, or simply don't care.

Pelister 06-28-2010 12:29 AM

The only way Macedonia can 'progress' is to take one giant step back from the brink of potential extinction by disengaging from this negotiation process.

These idiots have been tinkering with our identity. I find it astounding that the name "Macedonia" is being put in 'BRACKETS' as though it means something else.


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