[QUOTE=Risto the Great;177211]I was speaking with an articulate Romanian client yesterday about their EU membership. Essentially, Romania is still a shithole with zero new infrastructure fed through to important regional areas. No highways linking industrial areas. Nothing changed.

The only benefit is the ability to work in other countries. Which is precisely what is happening right now. The economy exists and hasn't self imploded solely because of it.

IF Macedonia gets in the EU, this is precisely what will happen. But I am sure something will happen with the ability to migrate. Macedonia is known for its "2nd rate undeserving nation" nature. It will be the only country to enter into the EU with rules that don't apply to any other nation. I guarantee it.[/QUOTE]Most eastern bloc states had an exclusion period of about 10+ years where their citizens couldn't migrate after EU membership. Macedonia will be no different - at a minimum. Most likely though, as you say, it will have some weird rules where no one is allowed leave the country.

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;177221]Most eastern bloc states had an exclusion period of about 10+ years where their citizens couldn't migrate after EU membership. Macedonia will be no different - at a minimum. Most likely though, as you say, it will have some weird rules where [B][U]no one is allowed leave the country[/U][/B].[/QUOTE]

Wow, [I]Back in the EUSSR[/I]!

I have a hard time believing EU would impose such strict rules.

In any event, it appears [B]Member States[/B] retain the right to determine volumes of admission for people coming from third countries (I haven't read the whole thing):
[url]http://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/152/immigration-policy[/url]

Counties like Bulgaria and Romania have large Gypsie populations. Not sure if restrictions were placed on the Baltic states and Central European states?

The west is certainly ramping up immigration intake due to declining birth rates I just had a cousin leave for Germany the other week..

Even here in Sydney, I heard on the radio that 100 000 immigrants per year have arrived in Sydney for the last ten years that’s an addition of one million people. The place is starting to resemble and smell like Calcutta.. can’t even go for a jog in the park without Indians playing cricket..

[QUOTE=Pelagonija;177223]Counties like Bulgaria and Romania have large Gypsie populations. Not sure if restrictions were placed on the Baltic states and Central European states?

The west is certainly ramping up emigration intake due to declining birth rates I just had a cousin leave for Germany the other week..

Even here in Sydney, I heard on the radio that 100 000 immigrants per year have arrived in Sydney for the last ten years that’s an addition of one million people. The place is starting to resemble and smell like Calcutta.. can’t even go for a jog in the park without Indians playing cricket..[/QUOTE]Sydney has always smelt and resembled Calcutta :lol:

[QUOTE=Pelagonija;177213]This is what I keep harping on about. If there was tangible evidence that NATO/EU will bring wealth and prosperity I would understand that some people would be willing to make some sacrifices regarding the national cause, but to make such sacrifices for no gain is insanity, not just Bulgaria look at the Baltic states, Italy, Romania, Catalonia, Greece and Romania to name a few.

People don’t realise, once the youth are gone they will never come back, and with no youth there are no Doctor, scientists, labourers, teachers and innovators. Countries like Germany/US/France/England use such organisations such as EU and NATO for their long term survival. The rest will die out or be taken over by other races with other values.[/QUOTE]

Whether one agrees (supports) with this or not, NATO membership will bring security/stability to Macedonia. By definition, EU/NATO will not bring wealth and prosperity - this is what many politicians in the Balkans, in general, are deluded about.

Upon entry, they expect the wages to increase immediately to European standards but the only thing that may increase (first) is PRICES - which could likely raise in lockstep with EU prices. The purchasing power will decrease. So, Macedonians will be paying [I]Paris-priced[/I] or [I]Munich-priced[/I] goods in Skopje or Bitola, while the actual wages will remain at similar levels (or inch up in a best case scenario).

[QUOTE=Carlin15;177225]Whether one agrees (supports) with this or not, NATO membership will bring security/stability to Macedonia. By definition, EU/NATO will not bring wealth and prosperity - this is what many politicians in the Balkans, in general, are deluded about...[/QUOTE]

The ONLY benefit of Macedonia joining NATO is the protection (hopefully) of being destabilised or invaded by NATO itself...as has previously occurred.

[QUOTE=Phoenix;177230]The ONLY benefit of Macedonia joining NATO is the protection (hopefully) of being destabilised or invaded by NATO itself...as has previously occurred.[/QUOTE]

Almost the entire Balkans was [I]destabilized[/I] throughout the 90's. In 1999, VMRO-DPMNE/Georgievski allowed 12,000 NATO troops to deploy in Macedonia due to the Kosovo conflict (without any guarantees of Macedonia's security).

I know how you and others may feel about NATO, but what are the alternatives (if any)?

NATO was behind the Kumanovo events a few years ago, which was a plot to destabilize the state in order to get rid of grujo and install that degenerate majmun we have now.

Why join such an alliance?

[QUOTE=Pelagonija;177223]Counties like Bulgaria and Romania have large Gypsie populations. Not sure if restrictions were placed on the Baltic states and Central European states?

The west is certainly ramping up immigration intake due to declining birth rates I just had a cousin leave for Germany the other week..

Even here in Sydney, I heard on the radio that 100 000 immigrants per year have arrived in Sydney for the last ten years that’s an addition of one million people. [B]The place is starting to resemble and smell like Calcutta[/B].. can’t even go for a jog in the park without Indians playing cricket..[/QUOTE]

I'm hearing you Pelagonija. I work in North Sydney and I commute by train every day, from the predominantly white, Anglo-Saxon area of Sutherland Shire but, unfortunately, I have to change trains at Town Hall for a connecting train to North Sydney. I swear, you need a mask when you board the curry train from Parramatta, the smell is that strong. All the curry-munchers exit at Town Hall but the stench they leave behind is shocking. I never thought of myself as a racist before, especially considering I'm a wog myself, but Australia definitely needs to reinstate the 'white-Australia' policy back again. It shits me to tears that 90% of the commuters disembarking at Town Hall are mostly spin bowlers. How the fuck did so many of them infest the place so quickly.

[QUOTE=Karposh;177236]I'm hearing you Pelagonija. I work in North Sydney and I commute by train every day, from the predominantly white, Anglo-Saxon area of Sutherland Shire but, unfortunately, I have to change trains at Town Hall for a connecting train to North Sydney. I swear, you need a mask when you board the curry train from Parramatta, the smell is that strong. All the curry-munchers exit at Town Hall but the stench they leave behind is shocking. I never thought of myself as a racist before, especially considering I'm a wog myself, but Australia definitely needs to reinstate the 'white-Australia' policy back again. It shits me to tears that 90% of the commuters disembarking at Town Hall are mostly spin bowlers. How the fuck did so many of them infest the place so quickly.[/QUOTE]

Mate the government has lost it.. the roads, schools and hospitals remain the same yet they keep pumping people in. As for the Indians, 20 years ago you couldnt find an Indian if you tried, there was not one single Indian student in my primary or high schools and I grew up in a minority Anglo Saxon area. Now they are everywhere, you drive on the roads and all you’ll see is them. Most of them are unethical, lazy and bloody arrogant. I can’t stand them.

Why so many? cheap labour via the 457 visa, students paying big bucks to get there masters degree in our unis then obtaining citizenship , they speak English, generally they are cheap and are willing to work for less hence big business loves them.

I work in IT and have been involved in a few interviews with Indians with bullshit resumes, mate they farked. Don’t even get me started with our outsourced partners in India.. absolute animals..

Sorry for getting off the topic.