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TrueMacedonian 05-11-2010 09:02 PM

Kolokotronis the Albanian

TrueMacedonian 05-11-2010 09:03 PM

Here's an interesting map of "greece" in Kolokotronis questionable memoirs -


TrueMacedonian 05-11-2010 09:05 PM

Some questionable material has been written about Kolokotronis;


Greece: The Modern Sequel by Giannēs Koliopoulos and Thanos Veremēs

And his involvement is even in question by Delyannis as well as the other "revolutionaries". Thank God for the West eh imposter hellenes.

TrueMacedonian 05-11-2010 09:18 PM

Page 72 of the book "Kolokotrones the klepht and warrior" is as follows;

[QUOTE]Young [I]Gianni[/I] Kolokotrones, who till then had been known by his baptismal name Gianni (John) only, here exchanged that name for [I]Gennaios[/I] (brave), which was bestowed upon him by his fellow combatants and others for his heroic conduct in the field, and by which name alone he was ever afterwards called.[/QUOTE]

Kolokotronis son originally had an Italian name. Wtf else will we see in this book? How about page 114;


IN the spring of 1808 Veli Pasha alarmed Ali Pharmakes by demanding that either he should deliver up his tower, or give himself or his son as a hostage into his hands. He was stirred up to this by Deligianni. Deligianni, not really desiring that Ali should even exist, told Veli that he must demolish his tower, and thus he would demolish all his strength. To Ali he said: " Do not go away, for Veli intends to kill thee." So Ali Pharmakes made preparations to oppose himself to Veli Pasha.

My grandfather, [I]Gianni[/I] Kolokotrones, and the grandfather of Ali, had been friends and adopted brethren. My grandfather was killed, but the friendship was continued between my own father and the father of Ali; and we also were sworn friends. Remembering this friendship, and counting upon it, Ali wrote a letter to me to this effect:—

"dear Fellow-countryman,—Veli Pasha is making ready to destroy me—come, and give me your help."[/QUOTE]

It seems that the Gianni Italian name runs in the family. BTW wasn't Pharmaki himself an Albanian? Albanians befriending Albanians. Hmmm what a concept.

Risto the Great 05-11-2010 09:23 PM

An Albanian thief.
Celebrated as a Greek .... is there something we don't understand about Greeks yet. We keep asking them to define themselves, yet receive few answers.

TrueMacedonian 05-11-2010 09:50 PM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;53010]An Albanian thief.
Celebrated as a Greek .... is there something we don't understand about Greeks yet. We keep asking them to define themselves, yet receive few answers.[/QUOTE]

A book I recently purchased calls Kolokotronis a "sheep stealer" but I guess that's just being a bit to harsh on the descendent of Gianni the Albanian :001_tongue:

In Kolokotronis memoirs (how much of it is true and not deviated) he makes mention of ;

[QUOTE]Our flag had the same cross as that of the Russian banners. [/QUOTE]

page 120

Russia was the first to rile the Albanians up to fight the Turk. So it would not be so surprising that what ended up becoming the revolutionary flag was in fact inspired by those Russian banners.

Mikail 05-11-2010 10:15 PM

Yes, he was Albanian, All the current revered Greek heroes of the war of independence were Albanian. These people fought the the ideals of Christianity and the creation of a common multi-ethnic Christian state.

Kolokotronis was later imprisoned and consequently died in jail.

The principle values of the war had changed and Kolokotronis along with many of his co-fighters didn't changed to. They were then seen as enemies to the 'new' cause.

Daskalot 05-12-2010 01:57 AM

And somehow the slogan '4000 years of Greek history' gets quite absurd.

Onur 05-12-2010 01:26 PM

These documents looks like a fiction novel. Look at the expressions and sentences :)

[QUOTE]Your excellency, Turk-eater, drinker of Ottoman-gore, come, supper is ready!!! [/QUOTE]

Ehm, it looks like a novel to pump up an ignorant racist`s pride, nothing else...

Risto the Great 05-12-2010 05:58 PM

You are correct Onur. It is almost laughable .... except for the fact that the terms still make sense to most Greeks nowadays.

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