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maco2envy 01-13-2019 06:36 AM

[QUOTE=Phoenix;178400]I hear Kamenos has resigned...[/QUOTE]

Seems like that will have little effect

Soldier of Macedon 01-13-2019 06:37 AM

[QUOTE=vicsinad;178390]Let's hope that some of these people turn words into resistance:

[URL="https://www.mkd.mk/kolumni/severna-makedonija-kje-bide-orvelovska-drzhava"]https://www.mkd.mk/kolumni/severna-makedonija-kje-bide-orvelovska-drzhava[/URL][/QUOTE]
Vic, is there a list of names of the 81 maggots who voted for this betrayal?

vicsinad 01-13-2019 06:38 AM

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;178393]Thanks Vic, appreciated.[/QUOTE]

No problem.

Other news, Bulgaria's turn to get Macedonians to accept that they're Bulgarians.

From BG's Foreign Minister Zaharieva:

[QUOTE]"One of the main conditions in the pre-accession process is to have good neighborly relations, not to pursue an isolationist and [B]nationalist policy, not to steal the history of the neighbors and not to deny the general historical past. Bulgaria clearly sets out these conditions, [/B]"Zaharieva added.[/QUOTE]

[URL="https://makfax.com.mk/makedonija/%d0%b7%d0%b0%d1%85%d0%b0%d1%80%d0%b8%d0%b5%d0%b2%d0%b0-%d1%87%d0%bb%d0%b5%d0%bd%d1%81%d1%82%d0%b2%d0%be%d1%82%d0%be-%d0%bd%d0%b0-%d0%bc%d0%b0%d0%ba%d0%b5%d0%b4%d0%be%d0%bd%d0%b8%d1%98%d0%b0-%d0%b2/"]https://makfax.com.mk/makedonija/%d0%b7%d0%b0%d1%85%d0%b0%d1%80%d0%b8%d0%b5%d0%b2%d0%b0-%d1%87%d0%bb%d0%b5%d0%bd%d1%81%d1%82%d0%b2%d0%be%d1%82%d0%be-%d0%bd%d0%b0-%d0%bc%d0%b0%d0%ba%d0%b5%d0%b4%d0%be%d0%bd%d0%b8%d1%98%d0%b0-%d0%b2/[/URL]

vicsinad 01-13-2019 06:42 AM

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;178402]Vic, is there a list of names of the 81 maggots who voted for this betrayal?[/QUOTE]

Yes, see this link with how everyone voted:

[URL="https://republika.mk/vesti/makedonija/ovie-pratenici-ni-go-smenija-imeto/"]https://republika.mk/vesti/makedonija/ovie-pratenici-ni-go-smenija-imeto/[/URL]

Soldier of Macedon 01-13-2019 07:33 AM

[QUOTE=vicsinad;178404]Yes, see this link with how everyone voted:

[URL="https://republika.mk/vesti/makedonija/ovie-pratenici-ni-go-smenija-imeto/"]https://republika.mk/vesti/makedonija/ovie-pratenici-ni-go-smenija-imeto/[/URL][/QUOTE]
Thanks Vic.

Rogi 01-13-2019 07:50 AM

42 of the 81 are ethnic Macedonians, the rest are Albanians, Turks, Serbs, Bosnaks or Gypsy.

Risto the Great 01-13-2019 08:24 AM

Macedonian majority there (just).

Carlin 01-13-2019 08:32 AM

[QUOTE=Phoenix;178400]I hear Kamenos has resigned...[/QUOTE]

Defense Minister Panos Kammenos admitted in a press conference following his resignation statement Sunday, that only two other Independent Greeks lawmakers will follow him in voting against the government and the name deal.

The 7-strong parliamentary group, which has propped up the government majority of 152 in the 300-member Parlaiment is split.

[url]http://www.ekathimerini.com/236550/article/ekathimerini/news/kammenos-admits-his-party-is-fractured[/url]


[img]https://i.imgur.com/Iz2yR17.jpg[/img]


[img]https://i.imgur.com/5fGRR30.jpg[/img]

Gocka 01-13-2019 04:23 PM

Whether Greece ratifies the deal or not is irrelevant. It won't prompt any changes from Zaev.

All we can hope for now is that a few things happen.

-The Greeks do not ratify the deal.
-Zaev persists to implement changes despite the Greeks
-That the Bulgarians make significant demands
-Conservatives come into power in Greece and threaten an EU veto

All of these factors should make a perfect storm to spur anger in Macedonia. Hopefully the shear volume of changes overwhelm people, at the very moment that EU entry seems like it is in question yet again. If that doesn't anger people enough to change course, then nothing ever will.

An economic downturn in Europe to take the wind out of everyone's sails would be the cherry on the cake.

Also the upcoming presidential election will have massive importance. Not so much from a policy perspective but from a sentiment perspective. If a SDSM candidates take the presidency, then forget about potential revolt. That would signal that SDSM hasn't really lost any support A solid win for the opposition wouldn't exactly be a repudiation of Zaev but at we can at least believe there is a pulse.

Risto the Great 01-13-2019 04:58 PM

There is no pulse. None.


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