I am confused, i dont even know whats going on anymore.

The heroes on social media are claiming there are 'reports' that there will be a very low turnout of people coming out to vote in the refferendom - the 'boycot' movement is and will be a success, and then there are 'articles' from 'journalists' from the west predicting that the reffrendum will pass.

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;176376]They will cite some half arsed conspiracy theories and watch all this go through without a whimper.[/QUOTE]

Macedonia is ripe for the taking...there’s an over abundance of idiots who really believe that this is their chance for riches and glory that will solve all of their ills...but somehow they will still come out of the other end with their identity and credibility...

[QUOTE=Phoenix;176379]Macedonia is ripe for the taking...there’s an over abundance of idiots who really believe that this is their chance for riches and glory that will solve all of their ills...but somehow they will still come out of the other end with their identity and credibility...[/QUOTE]

What i dont get is that a lot of the people who are pushing for this reffrendum to pass are the 'elite' in macedonia. The politicians, the business men, univeristy proffessors, macedonian actors and 'musicias'/pop stars

I could probably understand the average macedonian who is on a horrible salary (or no job at all) thinking the EU will magically give them a better life and ticket into the upper middle class. But i still dont get the aganda of the 'elite' in macedonia - it seems like they have amazing lives in macedonia

[QUOTE=Phoenix;176379]Macedonia is ripe for the taking...there’s an over abundance of idiots who really believe that this is their chance for riches and glory that will solve all of their ills...but somehow they will still come out of the other end with their identity and credibility...[/QUOTE]They will indeed be removing some come out the other end soon enough.

[QUOTE=Big Bad Sven;176378]I am confused, i dont even know whats going on anymore.

The heroes on social media are claiming there are 'reports' that there will be a very low turnout of people coming out to vote in the refferendom - the 'boycot' movement is and will be a success, and then there are 'articles' from 'journalists' from the west predicting that the reffrendum will pass.[/QUOTE]

That’s because according to the New York Times article I posted in another thread, apparently the US has taken the view to treat this referendum in the form of a “Disinformation” war against Russia, with Congress apparently approving $8 million specifically to fight it.

This referendum has become a fake news information battleground between the US and “Russia” (apparently all groups advocating a boycott are fake Implants from Russia, you know like how in the Cold War Russians were hiding everywhere in Americans boxes of cereal ready to jump out, cause apparently, no free thinking person could object to such a wonderful deal). If only Russia knew it was supposed to be participating.

[QUOTE=Big Bad Sven;176380]What i dont get is that a lot of the people who are pushing for this reffrendum to pass are the 'elite' in macedonia. The politicians, the business men, univeristy proffessors, macedonian actors and 'musicias'/pop stars[/QUOTE]
The "Elite" probably means they can afford the second cheapest VW Golf. I wouldn't read too much into the "elite" people of Macedonia. Not that money is a measure of any person anyway. The average Macedonian will be to blame for all of this either from apathy or active anti-Macedonian attitude.

I’m looking forward to European Macedonia. I can quit my IT job, pack up the bags and move to European Macedonia, get a job and live happily ever after.

[QUOTE=Pelagonija;176385]I’m looking forward to European Macedonia. I can quit my IT job, pack up the bags and move to European Macedonia, get a job and live happily ever after.[/QUOTE]

It’s pathetic that a slogan such as ‘European Macedonia’ has gained traction...it’s shows the level of self-loathing amongst those that peddle this particular rubbish...it shows that many are interested in being anything - fyromian, northern, European...anything except plain ol’ macedonia

[QUOTE=Gocka;176292]A few reasons, which just voting No does not suffice.

The referendum questions is essentially asking, are you for EU and NATO membership, then qualifying it with, by accepting the Prespa agreement. So no where does it plainly say do you accept a name change. So in that regard it is dishonest.

Then there is the means by which the referendum came about. The entire Prespa agreement is unconstitutional and thus invalid. Meaning the referendum itself is unconstitutional and invalid.

Based on those first two reasons, even voting in the referendum would constitute legitimizing the whole process that led to the Prespa agreement and thus legitimize the agreement itself. So in principle a boycott is good.

Then there is the math problem. Even if everyone who wanted to vote NO did so, it's not a certainty that a majority will vote NO. So by participating and voting NO, you do two things to your own peril. Risk pushing turnout high and legitimizing the process, and you risk losing the actual vote.

The only real option here was to note vote, and cause anarchy during the voting process.[/QUOTE]

Yes Gocka thank you for reminding me of the devious, fraudulent and cunning wording of the referendum fashioned by our own people in Zaev and co.

Since 2008 it was Europe and America trying to twist the words and dangle the carrot hoping Macedonia capitulates to the greeks. There has been resistance ever since. Now it is our own people and our own so-called leader that is leading the twisted charge.

Your right, a boycott is the only way to react to this capitulation. Then who ever wants to go and vote for a new country, constitution and identity they can go and knock themselves out because (Just like the flag) once the name is changed there will be no going back.

[QUOTE=Tomche Makedonche;176375]So what is the name being changed to?, [B]North Macedonia[/B]? Or [B]European Macedonia[/B]?

Does Zaev even know what he’s backing?, has Dimitrov bothered to tell him what name is on the agreement?, WTF is going on here?, not once did he mention North Macedonia, the only thing I heard was European Macedonia, and that’s even what the banners were saying. Can you get anymore misleading than this?[/QUOTE]

There was some other video footage (Minareport) showing bus loads of clowns arriving from all corners of Macedonia to join the treachery in Skopje and the reporter was asking said clowns what they were supporting...all of them responded that they were supporting "European Macedonia", the pathetic thing was that most of them weren't very convincing in their affirmation of their actions, some looked uncomfortable and even embarrassed...when further pressed by the reporter that they were actually supporting a name change they were actually dismissive or they simply refused to answer...it was a disturbing insight into delusion and stupidity...

And on another note...notice that the real flag is as rare as hens teeth with these cunts...this lot will sell off everything.