Makedontsi pak sa yadate za nishto.

moite mudina sa pogolemi ot tfoite:tank:

Makedontsi vo Australia sa nai patrioti ama nai budali sa.

Hello all:001_smile:
love the forum:001_cool:

Thanks guys, now I understand the rationale. It's not about the prefix / suffix, it's about drawing a line in the sand and saying enough is enough. It works for me.

Jas som ot Australia:winkiss:

gore...... shto drugo imash da se pofalish?????

[QUOTE=Bill77;36151]gore...... shto drugo imash da se pofalish?????[/QUOTE]Koi sa fale??

[QUOTE=gore na nitche;36152]Koi sa fale??[/QUOTE]dali imash neshto drugo da kazish? nie se raspravame, dali vikame mnogu i te razbudivne shto vleguvash naluten i vikash deka budali sne.

Do you have anything constructive or explain why you think budali sne i mislime deka golemi madlaci imame.

[QUOTE=Buktop;36128]United states policy is primarily shaped by the president, initiatives are made on his say so. He has a board of advisers, but ultimately he has the final say as to what direction his government takes.[/QUOTE]
You are implying that Obama has more executive control over the US administration than Meto has over the UMD, but the facts simply don't support such an assertion. You are implying that what Meto says himself (as the president) does not equate to the policy of the UMD. You don't honestly believe that, do you? You don't find anything wrong with that picture?
[QUOTE]I personally do not support a name change, and I agreed with you that the idea was not something that I could support either, I am still of that same opinion, but that is not to say that Meto cannot have his own opinion, and his own reasoning for reaching that opinion.[/QUOTE]
You are basically giving Meto a licence to say and do whatever he feels, and that the UMD should be immune from criticism as a result. The president of the UMD calls for a 'democratic' prefix, but this is not allowed to be tied into the official policy of the UMD, is that it? That doesn't strike you as odd? Can you tell me where integrity and consistency fit into all of this? Sorry mate, no way, I can't accept your suggestion. If Meto can't stop saying the wrong thing, then for the sake of his organisation he should either step down or shut up.

I think the earlier comparison I made with Obama and Biden is more than valid, you can't have a leader saying one thing and his organisation claiming another, and not be questioned about your integrity. Can you show me another example of something like this where the population or membership agree with what you are saying, namely, that they accept the president of their group makes statements that apparently contradict the group's policies and are not in synch with the population or membership? A few parallels would strengthen your argument somewhat.

Well Said Jankovska,

The people and the common soldiers who gave their lives, who were betrayed people like Boskoski,Trajkovski and Buckovski. They should be honored and respected

I say this in general, and in principle, and I'm sure all agree:

Anyone is entitled to their own personal opinion.

However, you must consider in what capacity any statement is made. Is it as a representative of an organisation, is it in the name of the organisation, is it at an event of and/or for the organisation, is it to people questioning the organisation, or is it in a personal private conversation.

Secondly, the personal opinion of the head does reflect back on the organisation itself in that, it beckons the question why an organisation would keep at its' head someone so diametrically opposed to its' policy, if indeed there is such a disparity. So any organisation is automatically implicated by the personal or otherwise statements and views of its' head.

Well said Maslinka.

I hope we're al wrong in assuming UMD has not made contact with AMHRC and is out to steal the limelight.

[QUOTE=gore na nitche;36150]Jas som ot Australia:winkiss:[/QUOTE]
Dobrodoide.

There were better ways to make an entry mate, perhaps next time you should read through the recent topics to get an understanding of the situation and surrounding circumstances and sentiment. Making an entrance in that manner lacks maturity, I trust, among madinata and your other natural gifts, you also possess some logic and intelligence. Makedoncite od tvojot krai se poznati i za toa.

Actually, UMD has made numerous contacts with AMHRC through e-mail over the last few days over this matter. The journalist at the Advertiser was made aware of AMHRC's letter, and few other media outlets we had communication with these last few days. The coordination is headed by the Macedonian Community of Adelaide and South Australia, and they are working closely with AMHRC and UMD over this matter. We are all here to help, not steal anyone's spotlight.

AMHRC is doing a great job, and so are the Macedonian Community of Adelaide and South Australia, which are directly affected by this matter. UMD will continue to help both, should they need our help.

[QUOTE="Buktop"]You think US recognition persuaded common Macedonians to not vote? The average Macedonian citizen doesn't give a shit what country recognizes them..........[/QUOTE]
I don't agree with that. Have you asked the average Macedonian citizen if they gave a shit about the USA recognising them in 2004? I was in Macedonia when it happened Buktop, I saw what went on. I saw Macedonians fooled into thinking that everything would improve in Macedonia so long as we had the recognition of the USA. Nishto ne se vide.
[QUOTE].........75% were more concerned with SDS taking their jobs (which is a stupid notion to begin with)[/QUOTE]
Stupid to whom? The people that stood to lose their jobs? Come on, you're not that ignorant to be unaware of that sort of thing happening in the past, where the political party in power quite often determined if you would have a job the following week. Again, I saw that happening too. I saw hardcore Macedonians keep their mouth's firmly shut because they didn't want to lose their jobs and means of support for their families. That is blackmail, that is an absolute disgrace.
[QUOTE]........and the Prime minister Hari Kostov, who threatened to resign, who gives a shit if he would have resigned? Is party allegiance more important than the rights of Macedonians or the territorial integrity of Macedonia?[/QUOTE]
It had nothing to do with party allegiance and you know it. It was all scare-mongering, to give Macedonians the impression that there would be imminent disasters awaiting should the Macedonians vote in favour of their sovereignty. This is what happens when SDS are in power, they brainwash people with fear and lies. Couple this with USA recognition and threats of ethnic Albanian terrorism. It worked.

The earlier opinion polls showed that the Macedonian people were heavily in favour of the referendum against Macedonia's territorial division, then the above things start happening. Don't blame the people on account of the traitors in their (SDS in this and most cases) leadership.

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;36212]I don't agree with that. Have you asked the average Macedonian citizen if they gave a shit about the USA recognising them in 2004? I was in Macedonia when it happened Buktop, I saw what went on. I saw Macedonians fooled into thinking that everything would improve in Macedonia so long as we had the recognition of the USA. Nishto ne se vide.

Stupid to whom? The people that stood to lose their jobs? Come on, you're not that ignorant to be unaware of that sort of thing happening in the past, where the political party in power quite often determined if you would have a job the following week. Again, I saw that happening too. I saw hardcore Macedonians keep their mouth's firmly shut because they didn't want to lose their jobs and means of support for their families. That is blackmail, that is an absolute disgrace.

It had nothing to do with party allegiance and you know it. It was all scare-mongering, to give Macedonians the impression that there would be imminent disasters awaiting should the Macedonians vote in favour of their sovereignty. This is what happens when SDS are in power, they brainwash people with fear and lies. Couple this with USA recognition and threats of ethnic Albanian terrorism. It worked.

The earlier opinion polls showed that the Macedonian people were heavily in favour of the referendum against Macedonia's territorial division, then the above things start happening. Don't blame the people on account of the traitors in their (SDS in this and most cases) leadership.[/QUOTE]


And Branko seems to be preparing something again.

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;36193]You are implying that Obama has more executive control over the US administration than Meto has over the UMD, but the facts simply don't support such an assertion. You are implying that what Meto says himself (as the president) does not equate to the policy of the UMD. You don't honestly believe that, do you? You don't find anything wrong with that picture?

You are basically giving Meto a licence to say and do whatever he feels, and that the UMD should be immune from criticism as a result. The president of the UMD calls for a 'democratic' prefix, but this is not allowed to be tied into the official policy of the UMD, is that it? That doesn't strike you as odd? Can you tell me where integrity and consistency fit into all of this? Sorry mate, no way, I can't accept your suggestion. If Meto can't stop saying the wrong thing, then for the sake of his organisation he should either step down or shut up.

I think the earlier comparison I made with Obama and Biden is more than valid, you can't have a leader saying one thing and his organisation claiming another, and not be questioned about your integrity. Can you show me another example of something like this where the population or membership agree with what you are saying, namely, that they accept the president of their group makes statements that apparently contradict the group's policies and are not in synch with the population or membership? A few parallels would strengthen your argument somewhat.[/QUOTE]
If you watched the Adelaide video, Meto expressly states, it was his own [B]personal opinion[/B] to be in favor of the Democratic prefix at the time, not the policy of UMD.

What Meto proposes has to be approved by all board members of UMD, or maybe Rogi can shed some light as to the decision making of UMD boards. Either way, a single board member does not have the power to change policy single handed.

My problem is not about criticizing Meto's or other board members' statements, it is about confusing personal opinion with UMD policy. I don't agree with some of their statements either, but I wont discredit the entire organization for it.


[quote="Rogi"]I say this in general, and in principle, and I'm sure all agree:

Anyone is entitled to their own personal opinion.

However, you must consider in what capacity any statement is made. Is it as a representative of an organisation, is it in the name of the organisation, is it at an event of and/or for the organisation, is it to people questioning the organisation, or is it in a personal private conversation.[/quote] I agree

[quote="Rogi"]Secondly, the personal opinion of the head does reflect back on the organisation itself in that, it beckons the question why an organisation would keep at its' head someone so diametrically opposed to its' policy, if indeed there is such a disparity. So any organisation is automatically implicated by the personal or otherwise statements and views of its' head.[/quote] I do agree here but you can't argue that transference of criticism from a board member to the whole organization is justified, especially when the actions of the organization seem to indicate otherwise.

[QUOTE=Jankovska;36138]Don't take that tone with me young man. Macedonia was given to the albanians because the United States of America and the EU gave it to them, not you or me. Orders were given and had to be followed. I do blame Trajkovski and the gov but not the people, everyone went to fight in 2001, but you can not send soldiers to fight but not giving them the right to attack or defend themselves. The West caused it and our gov betrayed us in every way, but whatever you do, stay away from judging the people.
I didn't vote because I was in the UK. My parents wanted to vote but the voting room in the gimnazija was shut. You go and explain to me why?
I will not allow anyone here to bash at the Macedonian people, especially if you don't live in Macedonia. Leve them the hell alone, if you not gonna help them stop blaiming them for everything. Afterall if they all moved away like we did Macedonia would be long gone.
Buktop the Serbs fought for kosovo, did they get to keep it?[/QUOTE]
This has nothing to do with anything that you just said, it is about the referendum that would have reversed the restructuring of districts in favor of Albanians. 75% of Macedonians not voting is unacceptable. And according to Indigen's belief's those who didn't vote actually endorse the giving of land to Albanians and are traitors. I am not actually of the opinion that we should hang everyone, I was having a go at Indigen with those comments.

So they shut the gimnazija? Well why didn't anyone in Kriva Palanka go to to the mayors office to complain? Why not go to the next town over and go to their voting station? I mean whats a few kilometers when your sovereignty is at stake?

I have every right to bash those who didn't vote and those who discouraged them from voting, I am a citizen of Macedonia, don't presume to tell me what I can and cannot do.

[QUOTE=aleksandrov;36144]If that's your view, why do you think the UMD leadership in the US feels a need to constantly stress that the USA is Macedonia's "best friend"?[/QUOTE]In terms of support for EU/NATO, and Military cooperation, ties with the USA do hold some benefits. I would not advocate an all out alliance or subservience to US foreign policy, but certain aspects are beneficial.

This is just another attempt to discredit UMD. UMD has in no way supported the UCK, and other gibberish said in this thread.

Tom

I do not recognize the person that was part of UMD for several years. UMD not only is against that acronym but we have tried to avoid it as much as we can.

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;36212]I don't agree with that. Have you asked the average Macedonian citizen if they gave a shit about the USA recognising them in 2004? I was in Macedonia when it happened Buktop, I saw what went on. I saw Macedonians fooled into thinking that everything would improve in Macedonia so long as we had the recognition of the USA. Nishto ne se vide.[/quote] I was there too, the people of Struga sure as hell didn't give a shit about US recognition.

[quote="Soldier of Macedon"]Stupid to whom? The people that stood to lose their jobs? Come on, you're not that ignorant to be unaware of that sort of thing happening in the past, where the political party in power quite often determined if you would have a job the following week. Again, I saw that happening too. I saw hardcore Macedonians keep their mouth's firmly shut because they didn't want to lose their jobs and means of support for their families. That is blackmail, that is an absolute disgrace. [/quote] Do you really think that SDS would be able to take away the jobs of everyone in the country? If so, SDS would lose all power in the government and outright chaos would ensue, SDS wouldn't have lasted in government 6 hours if they actually decided to go through with that sort of policy. Once again, this is proof of a collective subservience of the citizens in Macedonia.

[quote="Soldier of Macedon"]It had nothing to do with party allegiance and you know it. It was all scare-mongering, to give Macedonians the impression that there would be imminent disasters awaiting should the Macedonians vote in favour of their sovereignty. This is what happens when SDS are in power, they brainwash people with fear and lies. Couple this with USA recognition and threats of ethnic Albanian terrorism. It worked.[/quote] The Macedonians in the West of the country obviously didn't care about scaremongering, they were more concerned with whether terrorists would be allowed to take over their homes. Compared to that, the rest of the country had nothing to fear. We need to stop making excuses for the citizens in Macedonia.

[quote="Soldier of Macedon"]The earlier opinion polls showed that the Macedonian people were heavily in favour of the referendum against Macedonia's territorial division, then the above things start happening. Don't blame the people on account of the traitors in their (SDS in this and most cases) leadership.[/QUOTE] If your leaders started to tell you to forget about the sovereignty of your country or we are going to take your job, would you listen? It is not possible for a government to take away the jobs of over 50% of the country, and those who believed this lie obviously care very little for the plight of the Macedonians in the West of the country, who ACTUALLY lost their jobs and their dignity at the hands of the Albanians and those who chose indifference.

What i am upset with it your total biased ani-UMD sentiment here.

Case in point, in this thread [url]http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2423&page=12[/url] the topic is human rights luncheon. And instead of people talking about the Human Rights event and saluting the effort, you people went right down to bashing umd, constitutionalism, etc.

I really think that there is almost no point to discuss issues here. You guys are determined to bash UMD no matter what the topic is. The administrators should ask themselves if "едноумие" is the right mentality to have on a forum.

[QUOTE=amitreski;36250]This is just another attempt to discredit UMD. UMD has in no way supported the UCK, and other gibberish said in this thread.[/QUOTE]
Well it seems they need someone to blame, since they won't blame the actual people responsible.

The Macedonian Community of Adelaide and South Australia cannot be trusted to do an appropriate job. The appropriate time was 2 months ago and they failed. MP_MK, if you feel you are somehow driving this process, then to suggest:
[QUOTE=MP_MK]I was not responsible for that media piece transpiring.[/QUOTE]
Then it all sounds a little cloak and dagger without much of a cloak.

This has been about point scoring so far. It would be nice to win the game and everyone knows the AMHRC is the favourite AND the most capable for this process.

[QUOTE=amitreski;36251]Tom

I do not recognize the person that was part of UMD for several years. UMD not only is against that acronym but we have tried to avoid it [B]as much as we can[/B].

In that recgard Denis was reflecting on what he thought was the reason why THE GOVERNMENT accept that acronym.

[B]Go bark at the government for that shameful act not to UMD[/B] [/QUOTE]


Since UMD is not (under) the government what kind of obligation do you have in using the acronym?

We haven't seen UMD to renounce publicly or in the statute from the government decission.

I find your answer a bit immature.

the explanations (so far) by UMD representatives, specialy the "bark" part, are un-serious, even flaming and offensive.

bratko, using such terms are not what the Macedonian Diaspora needs...

if you don´t have the capacity to do your job, let someone else doing it, simply as that

btw, i do NOT bark, i byte, and if needed, i kick ass...

[QUOTE=Buktop;36244]If you watched the Adelaide video, Meto expressly states, it was his own [B]personal opinion[/B] to be in favor of the Democratic prefix at the time, not the policy of UMD.[/QUOTE]

A colleague who went to the dinner with Meto after the Adelaide UMD event was told what Meto's personal opinion was and that it was precisely the opposite of what you state above. Namely, if it was up to him, the name would not be changed for anyone.

So this inconsistency is becoming more than a nuisance. Buktop, what do you have to say now? Please tell me I should ask him directly.

Indeed, the appropriate time was two months ago. This still looks like an concerted effort to give UMD the limelight.

I will provide some updates and video footage of Meto's performance in Canberra last night shortly. Though, it was interesting to note that the Ambassador and the Consolate from WA were sitting at the head table providing "moral support" for Meto - or maybe they just hoped that we would be intimidated by their presence?. It was also interesting to note that they were much more uncomfortable with the questions posed over UMD's support for name changes and negotiations, defence of the FYROM terminology and the Framework Agreement than poor Meto.

Amitreski, as I have explained countless times in the past, not until relatively recently have I taken this approach with the UMD.

If you guys had some consistency and integrity (non-compromising on our identity) in your articles, statements, interviews, etc, I would still be supporting you in these issues. However, you don't have consistency, you have made questionable statements that I do not support, and you have indicated certain policies that, as a Macedonian, I cannot align with.

Niether the administrators or a handful of individuals are dictating to others the way things are with the UMD, your records speak for themselves, rest assured. You have become a tool (willingly) of whichever Macedonian government is in office, when your aim should be to represent the sentiments of the Diaspora.

99.99% of us do not want to be called 'democratic' Macedonians, not in the UN, EU or anywhere else, but you guys persist with it, in Adelaide Meto persisted with it. You are not representing the Macedonian Diaspora with such actions, so don't blame the people or administrators of this forum for your own failure to deliver what you initially promised - Representation of the Macedonian Diaspora.

Perhaps you guys lack "едноумие" and therefore lack consistency, or, perhaps, you guys aren't confident enough in your own ideology which sees you scrambling for answers everytime you are questioned on it.

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;36280]Indeed, the appropriate time was two months ago. This still looks like an concerted effort to give UMD the limelight.[/QUOTE]
No, I can't accept this. It is more the inaction and stupidity of my little community than anything that sinister!

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;36280]It was also interesting to note that they were much more uncomfortable with the questions posed over UMD's support for name changes and negotiations, defence of the FYROM terminology and the Framework Agreement than poor Meto.[/QUOTE]
Which tells me that the Diaspora must keep all of them honest. And an organisation representing the Diaspora must be transparent and single minded in its goals.

I look forward to any further information about the Ambassador/Consolate/UMD interaction.

How did we go Amitreski? Did the MPO prove themselves to be the Bulgar loving waste of timers that we knew they were? Have you read the "publication" yet?

[QUOTE="amitreski"]However, it has come to our attention that they have asked the readers of their publication to call themselves Mace-Bulgarians or something to that effect.[/QUOTE]
You have to be kidding me!!

Didn't you guys have this point already clarified prior to having them involved?

You missed this one SoM?
Frightening stuff in my opinion.

[quote=amitreski;36250]This is just another attempt to discredit UMD. UMD has in no way supported the UCK, and other gibberish said in this thread.[/quote]

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]In recent months, Albanians had an uproar over the Macedonian Encyclopaedia and disputed a number of articles that suggested Albanians arrived in Macedonia during the 16th century, that the US supported NLA forces and that Ali Ahmeti may be guilty of war crimes.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]UMD’s response to this was as follows:[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] “[B]We understand the frustrations that ethnic Albanians feel regarding the mistakes contained within the Macedonian Encyclopedia[/B]. However, we remind everyone and Mr. Krasniqi that MANU is reviewing and has promised to correct these mistakes, with input from well-regarded Albanian-Macedonian academics,” said UMD Director of Public Policy, Boban Jovanovski”.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]UMD Media Release[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]24 September 2009[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[URL="http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/432/1/"][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800080][url]http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/432/1/[/url][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/URL][FONT=Calibri][/FONT]

[QUOTE]“We understand the frustrations that some ethnic Albanians feel regarding what they believe to be mistakes contained within the Macedonian Encyclopedia. We look forward to reviewing their alternate theories."[/QUOTE]

Simple really.

[QUOTE=amitreski;36250]This is just another attempt to discredit UMD. UMD has in no way supported the UCK, and other gibberish said in this thread.[/QUOTE]


Mitreski,

Your incessant attempts to misconstrue the purpose and meaning of anything that appears like criticism of UMD policy, in order to evade accountability, is doing the UMD no service.

The question in this pole is very clear and the thread-starting text is UMD's own public statement, published on the UMD website.

Are you able to answer the question or not?

DOES THE ABOVE PUBLIC STATEMENT BY THE UMD (call it gibberish if you like) AMOUNT TO SUPPORT FOR THE OHRID FRAMEWORK AGREEMENT?

I just want to summarise, because it is becoming a little confusing. So what we have is...

1. UMD does not support any name change whatsoever.

2. The President and public figure of UMD has reaffirmed support for a name change to 'Democratic'.

3. UMD's President defines a name change as a change in Macedonia's Constitution, not the name used in the United Nations*


These statements are creating a lot of confusion, albeit not to those who are not so naive.


* In the video of the Adelaide forum, Meto is recorded as saying that 'Democratic' may be acceptable for the EU, NATO and United Nations 'only' (definition of name change).


I have been saying for nearly 2 years now that the way a name change will eventually be 'sold' to the Macedonian people is by 'selling' it as a replacement of 'fYROM' and not as a name change (because the Constitutional name won't change).

This play on the definition of what a name change really means, is but a trick and a way to dupe the Macedonian people into remaining subservient and apathetic.

[QUOTE=Buktop;36247]In terms of support for EU/NATO, and Military cooperation, ties with the USA do hold some benefits. I would not advocate an all out alliance or subservience to US foreign policy, but certain aspects are beneficial.[/QUOTE]


That doesn't answer the question of why UMD feels the need to repeatedly preach to Macedonians that the US is their best friend, if (according to you) perceived American patronage doesn't mean anything to the bulk of the Macedonian people and cannot influence their decisions about crucial domestic affairs.

[QUOTE=amitreski;36257]The actual people responsible were greeted like heroes in Australia as far as I can remember.[/QUOTE]

What exactly can you 'remember'?

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;36293][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]In recent months, Albanians had an uproar over the Macedonian Encyclopaedia and disputed a number of articles that suggested Albanians arrived in Macedonia during the 16th century, that the US supported NLA forces and that Ali Ahmeti may be guilty of war crimes.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]UMD’s response to this was as follows:[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] “[B]We understand the frustrations that ethnic Albanians feel regarding the mistakes contained within the Macedonian Encyclopedia[/B]. However, we remind everyone and Mr. Krasniqi that MANU is reviewing and has promised to correct these mistakes, with input from well-regarded Albanian-Macedonian academics,” said UMD Director of Public Policy, Boban Jovanovski”.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]UMD Media Release[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]24 September 2009[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[URL="http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/432/1/"][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800080][url]http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/432/1/[/url][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/URL][FONT=Calibri][/FONT][/QUOTE]

That looks like something that might have been drafted by US State Department bureaucrats.

Ova e za sramota!

[QUOTE]“We understand the frustrations that ethnic Albanians feel regarding the mistakes contained within the Macedonian Encyclopedia. However, we remind everyone and Mr. Krasniqi that MANU is reviewing and has promised [U]to correct these mistakes[/U], with input from well-regarded Albanian-Macedonian academics,” said UMD [B]Director of Public Policy, Boban Jovanovski[/B]”.[/QUOTE]