I'm sure they are going for the hotel barfridge at$10 a kitkat & $8 a softdrink.

Meto,

I want to hear your answer to SoM's question about whether Macedonians have an exclusive right to the sonce. Failing to answer will result in discussions among the Administrators about your ability to advertise here without participating in the discussions.

Meto, you will answer SoM's question. Your advertisement has been deleted.

Dusko
 

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;99519]How about the Macedonians, do they have the right to exclusively claim the ancient Macedonian symbol as their national symbol?

Why don't you? We already do plenty of research here. You can start by producing evidence of the 16-ray sun in use 6,000 years ago, like you stated:

Can you corroborate that statement?[/QUOTE]


Please contact Dusko Aleksovski directly at [url]http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=45429382035[/url] and he can send you his work. UMD is not an authority on this issue.

[quote=UMDiaspora.org;99560]Please contact Dusko Aleksovski directly at [URL="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=45429382035"][url]http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=45429382035[/url][/URL] and he can send you his work. UMD is not an authority on this issue.[/quote]Meto, you have not answered SoM's question which relates to YOUR view on the matter of whether Macedonian's should have exclusive rights to the sonce. Do not test my patience.

[QUOTE="Meto"]UMD is not an authority on this issue.[/QUOTE]
So you make statements as if they're factual, when in actual fact you have no clue about the content in your own statements. Ok, I can accept that, because that is a consistent trait of yours, but I would rather you don't write cheques you can't cash.

Until you address the simple question that I posed to with regard to who has the exclusive right to claim the ancient Maceonian symbol as a national symbol, don't bother posting here. And if you fail to comply with this request we will ensure that you won't post here. Despite our non-aligned views, the MTO still allows the UMD to advertise here. We offer the same courtesy to groups like the AMHRC. However, the latter always address questions that are put forth to them which relate to an official statement of their group or members within their group. You don't. But from now on, you will be required to meet the same level of standard as the AMHRC.

Forget about the memory-loss and goldfish routine, it has run its course here, and will no longer be accepted. Show some respect to your fellow Macedonians and answer their questions. Or restrict your advertisements to other forums where you all post pictures of each other shaking hands, and where people are either too ignorant, indoctrinated or scared to ask the right questions.

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;99565]

Show some respect to your fellow Macedonians and answer their questions. Or restrict your advertisements to other forums where you all post pictures of each other shaking hands, and where people are either too ignorant, indoctrinated or scared to ask the right questions.

[/QUOTE]
If, they can't do that I think it's a safe bet to say their end nears with or without the regular cheerleaders.

[QUOTE=El Bre;99466]Kafana,

Am I crazy, or do I remember Bitove debating some guy from the "Pan Macs" on TV in the late 80's / early 90's?

I vaguely remember the event, and I'm not sure it was even him.[/QUOTE]

Yes, he did debate Evangelos Kofos on TV, and he did an excellent job, as I recall

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;99463]RV,

You would do well to first address your glaring hypocracy and contradictions over Interim Accord and the Framework Agreement before asking me questions that I have discussed in detail over the past few years. Perhaps a quick search on this forum or google will save me the time from repeating myself.[/QUOTE]

I haven't contradicted myself at all. Meanwhile, I'm surprised you are unable to answer a couple basic questions when it doesn't suit you.

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;99565] Despite our non-aligned views, the MTO still allows the UMD to advertise here. We offer the same courtesy to groups like the AMHRC. However, the latter always address questions that are put forth to them which relate to an official statement of their group or members within their group. You don't. But from now on, you will be required to meet the same level of standard as the AMHRC.
[/QUOTE]

Non-aligned?
That's highly suspect.


[QUOTE]
Forget about the memory-loss and goldfish routine, it has run its course here, and will no longer be accepted. Show some respect to your fellow Macedonians and answer their questions. Or restrict your advertisements to other forums where you all post pictures of each other shaking hands, and where people are either too ignorant, indoctrinated or scared to ask the right questions.[/QUOTE]

SoM, when I hear you and Vangelovski lecture people about showing respect to fellow Macedonians, it makes me laugh. In the next sentences, you refer to the Macedonians in the UMD group as "ignorant, indoctrinated or scared". In other words, if Macedonians don't agree with you, they are either ignorant (stupid), or they've been indoctrinated (how did that happen?) or they're just too scared to ask questions??? OR, they just don't agree with you, that's the other option.

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;99561]Do not test my patience.[/QUOTE]

:) Tough guy routine. Gotta love it...

[quote=rujnovino;99581]I haven't contradicted myself at all. Meanwhile, I'm surprised you are unable to answer a couple basic questions when it doesn't suit you.[/quote]Show me which questions I have not answered. I have explained your contradiction - here it is again:

You claim not to support the IA and FA, yet you blindly and unreservedly support UMD which has publically supported those two agreements.

[quote=rujnovino;99582]OR, they just don't agree with you, that's the other option.[/quote]That is perfectly fine, but if they do not agree with us, they should point out on which part of the cause they do not agree with and stop pretending that they do agree with us.

[QUOTE=rujnovino;99583]:) Tough guy routine. Gotta love it...[/QUOTE]

Were you personally patting Bitove on the back at the awards night RV?

[QUOTE=rujnovino;99583]:) guy routine. Gotta love it...[/QUOTE]
UMD Pride? Abre, take one for the team Mary Poppins

[QUOTE=rujnovino;99582]Non-aligned?
That's highly suspect.[/QUOTE]
Actually it's not. I am in no mood to go through the same cyclic conversation with you again, so either re-read what has already been posted, or speak to a doctor about your inability to remember anything prior to yesterday.
[QUOTE]SoM, when I hear you and Vangelovski lecture people about showing respect to fellow Macedonians, it makes me laugh.[/QUOTE]
When I read what people like you write, I don't laugh, because the fact that such apologetic views are harboured by Macedonians is a concern.
[QUOTE]In the next sentences, you refer to the Macedonians in the UMD group as "ignorant, indoctrinated or scared". In other words, if Macedonians don't agree with you........[/QUOTE]
I couldn't care less if they don't agree with me personally. My concern is only when their views do not agree with the Macedonian Cause. And I was actually referring to Maknews, you know, that website which serves as a mouthpiece for the UMD? Why aren't you there spreading your 'vision', you will receive a much more receptive audience there as you try and re-interpret everything wrong the UMD have said and done in an effort to prove the opposite. People aren't nearly as stupid as you and your cohorts from the UMD would like for them to be. The saddest thing is that you clowns actually think the Macedonian people are stupid enough to believe all of the lies emanating from your pro-US, pro-EU and pro-Mk. government propaganda.

Have you figured out your purpose on this forum yet?

Lubi, has been setup and bought by the UMD za jobe. Now, he refuses to post on his own site using "maknews". Warning, if the UMD invites you to speak at any event take along some KY Jelly because it will hurt for many years.

Makster, not even you can take that much vo gazo and keep smiling here - bend a little not 24/7.

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;99614]

Have you figured out your purpose on this forum yet?

[/QUOTE]
Nothing, worse then dying lonely - I'm being serious

You know MK, it is no secret that Lubi and I didn't see eye to eye. And that is fair enough. We created the MTO, meanwhile Maknews sunk. But the fact that he blindly supports all UMD initiatives including those that are detrimental to the Macedonian Cause is an indication that the man has lost his principles. I may have been abrupt for some things a few years ago, and that has now changed, but I never lost my principles. He is not the same person we once knew, or perhaps this has always been him.

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;99618]You know MK, it is no secret that Lubi and I didn't see eye to eye. And that is fair enough. We created the MTO, meanwhile Maknews sunk. But the fact that he blindly supports all UMD initiatives including those that are detrimental to the Macedonian Cause is an indication that the man has lost his principles. I may have been abrupt for some things a few years ago, and that has now changed, but I never lost my principles. He is not the same person we once knew, or perhaps this has always been him.[/QUOTE]
Well, he won't admit it but he knows he crossed the line when he joined the UMD, received financial support and spoke at the 2010 conference. I'm disappointed in his constant catch me if you can routine. For, TM to be pissed off will tell you that UMD ship is sinking.

Personal, donations really help but when you have organization joining/donating to push personal agenda's it's no longer a forum of truth. Funny, how my June events never seem to get posted where they belong. He's, waiting for the conference to pass first -- very stupid, because that's his own poster and the best Macedonian event in June. God, help them if they try to take ANY credit from those organizers - [B][COLOR="Black"]zero [/COLOR][/B], to do with the UMD .. please see 69th Annual Macedonian Golf Open. I'm sure Meto will try to make it there again because money is never the problem with these lads .. to be continued

Not, a fan of [B]buying [/B]results or getting paid indirectly -Greek style. I know why he's pissed off at human rights but that should not effect the truth - that's personal and money related. Should he be mad? Yes, Should he attack them because it cost him money? No

Personal stuff that you need to resolve.

[QUOTE=rujnovino;98753]

I visited their conference last year in Toronto, and I met lots of great folks from different places, and different walks of life. It was a great experience for any Macedonian, and I would like to go again. (Not sure if I can make it this year, we'll see.)

[/QUOTE]
Other, then meeting great folks from different places, shaking tons of hands and kissing babies you don't seem to be overly confident this time around. Now, that may have do with age, health, cost or family .. many factors. What, makes you think you're ANY different then anyone else and they don't have "lives" outside of the UMD? Special case?

99.9% you will not be attending so don't beat around the bush Maro Poppinovska

Oh, when most people read your quote above they too will see an annual wine and cheese party with live entertainment. What, did you learn over 3 days .. 250,000 Macedonians live in Australia? Toronto, is very expensive? Mayor Rob Ford's baba was not a Makedonka?

Please, list 9 things you didn't know before you attended that educational event (invest, support, donate) and you should be able to list 1,000 from what you know (very little) about Macedonia and Macedonians.

- Alex, I had no clue that not only can you wear a vest you can also read it

[COLOR=#390002][FONT=Verdana]It appears UMD is building friendships with other Southeast European communities in the US:[/FONT][/COLOR]
[quote]
[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#390002]
[COLOR=#390002][FONT=Verdana]...On May 19th, to build upon the main themes of the Global Diaspora Forum, UMD and The Heritage Foundation co-hosted a ground breaking roundtable discussion that brought together officials from the State Department, Capitol Hill staff, the Ambassadors of Albania, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia, and Macedonia and diplomats from the Embassies of Montenegro, Romania, Serbia, and Turkey. [B]Leaders of Diaspora organizations represented the Albanian[/B], Bosnian, [B]Bulgarian[/B], Croatian, [B]Greek[/B], Macedonian, [B]Serbian[/B], and Turkish-American communities in the United States.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[B][COLOR=#390002][FONT=Verdana]The roundtable’s purpose was to map out the direction in which these Diaspora groups can cooperate in assisting the development of the Southeast European region and furthering its relationship with Euro-Atlantic institutions and the United States[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#390002][FONT=Verdana]...[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#390002][FONT=Verdana]...[B]UMD put forward the idea of instituting an informal body, the Southeast European Coalition[/B], to build dialogue and strengthen relations among all Southeast European-American groups. All participating organizations during the roundtable discussion pledged overwhelming support for such an initiative...[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#390002][FONT=Verdana][URL="http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/572/1/"][url]http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/572/1/[/url][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR]

[/COLOR][/FONT][/quote][COLOR=#390002][FONT=Verdana]This begs the following questions:[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#390002][FONT=Verdana]1. Which Greek, Albanian, Bulgarian and Serbian organisations is UMD now forming a coalition with?[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#390002][FONT=Verdana]2. What exactly is the purpose of this coalition and which specific issues will it cooperate on?[/FONT][/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;99696]

2. What exactly is the purpose of this coalition and which specific issues will it cooperate on?[/QUOTE]

"To achieve on of our broadest goals of strengthening and protecting Macedonian culture, the Macedonian people cannot do it alone"

- Meto Koloski, President of UMD 2004-2011

[quote=Makedonska_Kafana;99697]"To achieve on of our broadest goals of strengthening and protecting Macedonian culture, the Macedonian people cannot do it alone"

- Meto Koloski, President of UMD 2004-2011[/quote]

Good point!

UMD Logic

Why, would we want to work with other Macedonian organizations when we can assist our dusmani? This, way their membership base (small) is not effected in any way - all about money. Geez, I guess we can't rule out working with the KKK or American Idol?

[U]Meto, you will answer SoM's question. As a basic requirement for advertising on here, you will answer questions directed to you by the office bearer's of MTO Inc.[/U][URL="http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Just-In--Senator-McCain-to-be-Honored-at-UMD-Global-Conference.html?soid=1101742909891&aid=OvvjPxOKkTQ"][/URL]

[QUOTE=UMDiaspora.org;99712]

Message from [B]Ambassador [/B]Ljubica Z. Acevska

[/QUOTE]


FYI - Ljubica Z. Acevska is retired yet no mention of that anywhere. President Gligorov? A "Former" everything organization? In, 2010 UN President Srgjan Kerim attended? Did, you take up smoking? Living in the past ..

Enough, with your [B]shameless [/B]plugs here ladies .. we demand current and accurate facts!

Will, John Bitove Sr. be in Washington DC. live? John Bitove Jr.? If, you know they can't make it due to health or business matters then honesty does matter to your members I would hope? Maybe not ..

Technically, President Obama, Oprah and KC and the Sunshine Band can be there as well (on video). Maybe, 2012 will be the right time for Queen Elizabeth II to attend and pick up her Goce Delcev award then you can deliver it to London, England?

[IMG]http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3563/elizabethii.jpg[/IMG]

Fala, Meto i Fala Washington (blagodaram e tocno)

[QUOTE=UMDiaspora.org;99712][U]Meto, you will answer SoM's question. As a basic requirement for [B]advertising [/B]on here, you will answer questions directed to you by the office bearer's of MTO Inc.[/U][URL="http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Just-In--Senator-McCain-to-be-Honored-at-UMD-Global-Conference.html?soid=1101742909891&aid=OvvjPxOKkTQ"][/URL][/QUOTE]
What, could they possibly lose by posting truths? Maybe, they don't want to open a can of worms - admit to any faults?

When, you force people to guess half will guess wrong.

You know MK Meto isn't the queen of england of whom you can't question.He should answer the questions other wise no advertizing.So one of his quotes"To achieve one of our broadest goals of strengthening and protecting Macedonian culture, the Macedonian people cannot do it alone" Meto needs to better communicate with the diaspora if he wishes to achieve his goals.If he doesn't then we have a very low opinion of him & what he hopes to achieve.

[QUOTE=George S.;99762]

Meto needs to better communicate with the diaspora if he wishes to achieve his goals.

[/QUOTE]
Do you know the motto mhrmi & amhrc use? The, only way to avoid it completely is to discontinue posting on ALL forums. Hey, let them start their own forum (censorship) if they feel the need to post reklami. Well, I can tell you that they must pay for advertising in the Toronto Macedonian media and this is more powerful (net) then any of those so someone do the math per line.

Can't, have it both ways in 2011 they operate a [B]business[/B] and websites are not free, costs involved.

PERSONAL ADS/RELEASES MUST BE APPROVED BY THE MTO OWNER'S
[url]http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/announcement.php?f=2&a=3[/url]

[QUOTE="UMD"]Greeks cannot have exclusivity to this symbol.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE="MTO"]How about the Macedonians, do they have the right to exclusively claim the ancient Macedonian symbol as their national symbol?[/QUOTE]
..........and the UMD is nowehere to be seen. Should it take this long to respond to such a simple question which relates to our historical identity?

Well, I'm going to turn up the heat and for now on [B]ANYONE [/B]that speaks on behalf of the UMD I will consider it to be their [B]official [/B]response. If, and when we track these people (frauds) down they will have some explaining to do for the Macedonian world at large.

FED UP WITH THEIR FORUM GAMES - CATCH US IF YOU CAN!

Being Dead Serious

George Atanasovski must take over the UMD after June 2011 and select his own people to get the job done, eight years with very little to show to their members. Drop the NGO bullshit while you're at it because that's only a cope out. (see osce ngo's/results)

This, was not the plan eight years ago so YES they have changed their beliefs after they got close to the politicians. ALL, double talk and open ended.

[url]http://www.makedonika.org/alijansa/[/url]
SONCE

If there is questioning UMD their motto should be SCRAM.

Can you spot the error? Conflict of Interest and Reckless

[IMG]http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4738/umdambnimetz2011.jpg[/IMG]

UMD, are not [B]affiliated [/B]with ANY government or political parties yet the Macedonia Alliance is a political party who flys one Macedonian flag. Sonce. :)

Would, UMD invite Crevenkovski to join them in New York regarding the "Name Issue"? George, is a smart businessman and the UMD are a group of self appointed US messengers trying to figure out what they should be doing for the Macedonian diasopra.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA5XeZH9GfA&feature=channel_video_title]YouTube - ‪nikoj nema pravo da pregovara za moeto ime.mp4‬‏[/url]

- ve lazet i uste ke ve lazet .. UMD? Da, tocno si Georgi

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f2ZApKZMPI&feature=related]YouTube - ‪Konferencija na Makedonska Alijansa za Evropska Integracija vo Albanija 1/5‬‏[/url]

George, is a member of UMD so this video is indirectly UMD.

[QUOTE=Makedonska_Kafana;99907]Can you spot the error? Conflict of Interest and Reckless

[IMG]http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4738/umdambnimetz2011.jpg[/IMG]

UMD, are not [B]affiliated [/B]with ANY government or political parties yet the Macedonia Alliance is a political party who flys one Macedonian flag. Sonce. :)

Would, UMD invite Crevenkovski to join them in New York regarding the "Name Issue"? George, is a smart businessman and the UMD are a group of self appointed US messengers trying to figure out what they should be doing for the Macedonian diasopra.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA5XeZH9GfA&feature=channel_video_title]YouTube - ‪nikoj nema pravo da pregovara za moeto ime.mp4‬‏[/url]

- ve lazet i uste ke ve lazet .. UMD? Da, tocno si Georgi[/QUOTE]
No, one here finds anything wrong with the above? George, has done nothing wrong but not exactly sure what the UMD was thinking about involving a Macedonian political party indirectly? [B]Once, again I call on the Macedonian Alliance to take over the UMD operation July , 2011 and George represent the Macedonian diaspora in Macedonia - a member of parliament
[/B]
UMD, can't even hold a press conference in eight years - donate today, we need your financial support - click here, there and everywhere

It may be an inappropriate plug in the wrong topic, but in response to MK's remarks in bold:

Vote for my dad, [B]Dusan Sinadinoski[/B], to represent the North American Macedonian Diaspora :thumbup:

[quote=vicsinad;100040]It may be an inappropriate plug in the wrong topic, but in response to MK's remarks in bold:

Vote for my dad, [B]Dusan Sinadinoski[/B], to represent the North American Macedonian Diaspora :thumbup:[/quote]Your father is the candidate for SDSM isn't he? What is is position on the Framework Agreement with the Albanians?

He doesn't like it, but thinks it would take some time and a lot of effort to negate much of what's in it because of all the other things going on. That's as much as I talked about it with him.

Oh -- and yes he's a candidate for SDSM.