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Currency Trader 09-02-2010 09:04 PM

[QUOTE=George S.;69150]I hope we are united.i'm not really agains't them except they should have some sort of active role.Rather than watching on the sides & be passive.[/QUOTE]

Reading from their answer, and the trend of protecting this very human rights issue, they (UMD) may/could actually do something on their own.
Let's see what happens.



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Makedonska_Kafana 09-02-2010 09:52 PM

[QUOTE=Currency Trader;69154]

Reading from their answer, and the trend of protecting this very human rights issue, they (UMD) may/could actually do something on their own.
Let's see what happens.

-[/QUOTE]

Well, it would help if this was done yesterday and if they wanted to really do something positive for the diaspora they hold a major press conference and invite every Washington newspaper and television station to attend.

World attention on CNN

Mikail 09-03-2010 05:55 AM

Well Said Onur. Greece in fact does not have a head of the GOC.

Keep up the lobbying Meto, you have failed your lobbying attempts here.

Prolet 09-03-2010 06:34 AM

[QUOTE=Mikail;69190] Greece in fact does not have a head of the GOC.

[/QUOTE]

Do you mean they dont have an ArchBishop like Gospodin Gospodin Stefan? Its very interesting actually.

Mikail 09-03-2010 06:41 AM

yes it is true

They are a power unto themselves

UMDiaspora.org 09-03-2010 09:35 AM

Onur - thank you for your post.

The Ecumenical Patriarch in 2007 visited Lerin (Florina) and declared "Macedonia is Greek" and there is no such thing as a Macedonian. This is the what a religious leader of millions of Orthodox folk should be stating.

For those that are not aware, churches in Aegean Macedonia are under the jurisdiction of the Ecumenical Patriarch and not under the jurisdiction of the Church of Athens and All Greece. Similiarly, the churches in North America are also under the jurisdiction of the Ecumenical Patriarch.

UMD is monitoring closely the religious rights of Macedonians and Turks in Greece, and is working with TCA to bring awareness about this. A document is being prepared.

UMDiaspora.org 09-03-2010 09:36 AM

UMD Membership Month has kicked off very nicely, with several new members, and several renewals. We encourage you to renew, become a member, or donate.

Thank you for your support! Without it, UMD would not be where it is today!

Visit: [url]http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/495/1/[/url]

Makedonska_Kafana 09-03-2010 10:18 AM

What advantage is becoming a member - right to vote, expect that the rights and wishes of the Macedonian diaspora come before anything else, discounts, UMD pen?

[B][I]Can someone from Australia or Canada be a president or vice president? How often are your elections held - every 10 years?
[/I][/B]
Pozdrav,

World Macedonian Diaspora
Toronto, Ontario Canada

[url]http://macedoniandiaspora.phpbb3now.com/viewforum.php?f=2[/url]
One people, one destiny - Macedonians

UMDiaspora.org 09-03-2010 12:59 PM

Thank you for your question.

Elections are in 2011. Anyone can become President or Vice President.

All of those are membership benefits, except the UMD pen...we have not produced one of these yet. Members partake in regular surveys, and attend various events and conferences UMD puts on. UMD then decides its policies based on monitoring of these surveys, events, conferences.

Jimmy Myka 09-03-2010 01:18 PM

[QUOTE=UMDiaspora.org;69200]The Ecumenical Patriarch in 2007 visited [B][U][COLOR="Red"]Florina[/COLOR][/U][/B] and declared "Macedonia is Greek" and there is no such thing as a Macedonian.[/QUOTE]


Don't you mean LERIN?

Makedonska_Kafana 09-03-2010 01:39 PM

[QUOTE=Jimmy Myka;69220]Don't you mean LERIN?[/QUOTE]
:thumbup1:

Makedonska_Kafana 09-03-2010 01:47 PM

[QUOTE=UMDiaspora.org;69217]Thank you for your question.

Elections are in 2011. Anyone can become President or Vice President.

All of those are membership benefits, except the UMD pen...we have not produced one of these yet. Members partake in regular surveys, and attend various events and conferences UMD puts on. UMD then decides its policies based on monitoring of these surveys, events, conferences.[/QUOTE]
Don't worry about a pen, Maklink was suppose to send me one 4 years ago and still in the US mail. [B][I]So, what you're telling us is that a president or vice president doesn't have to leave or relocate their families to Washington DC? [/I][/B]

- UMD then decides its policies based on monitoring of these surveys

What was the result of the END NEGOTIATION survey? If, the majority are (were) in favor to walk away and DEMAND AN END from this ethnic cleansing process you overruled their wishes and acted alone - the board? Telling me we had no survey is NOT want the Macedonians of Diaspora want to hear right now.

DEAD END

UMDiaspora.org 09-03-2010 02:51 PM

MK - the President nor the Vice President have to relocate to Washington, D.C. if elected as such. UMD's Board are globally based. Stay tuned for an announcement on a new UMD Board member from Canada.

Our member views are reflected in the UMD Global Conference Resolution 2010 passed by the UMD Board of Directors on June 6, 2010. Please refer to [url]http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/488/1/[/url]

Makedonska_Kafana 09-03-2010 03:05 PM

[QUOTE=UMDiaspora.org;69230]Stay tuned for an announcement on a new UMD Board member from Canada.
[/QUOTE]
Another one of my original idea's posed to UMD ages ago, it's about time and you're welcome. Same needs to be done in Australia and Germany in the very near future - 2010. MOST of the things I have stated the past few years is ALL in your best interest, listen to what our diaspora is telling you.

[url]http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4238[/url]

Onur 09-03-2010 03:41 PM

[QUOTE=UMDiaspora.org;69200]Onur - thank you for your post.

The Ecumenical Patriarch in 2007 visited Lerin (Florina) and declared "Macedonia is Greek" and there is no such thing as a Macedonian[/QUOTE]

Well, thats why Turkey doesn't recognize him as an ecumenical patriarch cuz we don't trust them and we have a very good reason for it. The patriarchy supported Greek invasion of Anatolia at 1919 and they did this even with the existence of anti-invasion people among Phanariots. Patriarch later admitted that he was getting orders from British tough :pinch:

So, who can guarantee us whether Greek patriarch would transfer clerics like Germanos Karavangelis from Athens to Istanbul or not?





[QUOTE]UMD is monitoring closely the religious rights of Macedonians and Turks in Greece, and is working with TCA to bring awareness about this. A document is being prepared.[/QUOTE]

Thats great to hear cuz they need this badly. You know literally everyone, Obama, Merkel, David Cameron etc. fully supports and visits Istanbul patriarchy whenever they come to Turkey but on the other hand, no one give a damn about the poor minorities of Greece, including EU officials. We need awareness more than anything.

UMDiaspora.org 09-03-2010 04:11 PM

Monitoring
 
[QUOTE=Makedonska_Kafana;69232]Another one of my original idea's posed to UMD ages ago, it's about time and you're welcome. Same needs to be done in Australia and Germany in the very near future - 2010. MOST of the things I have stated the past few years is ALL in your best interest, listen to what our diaspora is telling you.

[url]http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4238[/url][/QUOTE]

We'll monitor Australian and European membership in the next year and evaluate. Thank you for the suggestions.

Makedonska_Kafana 09-03-2010 04:40 PM

[QUOTE=UMDiaspora.org;69240]We'll monitor Australian and European membership in the next year and evaluate. Thank you for the suggestions.[/QUOTE]
I can't stress how important Australia is in the overall success of your organization. Planning committee's are for "planning" and don't have the same effect as a full fledge country board. Once you allow Australia, Canada and Germany to promote themselves you may find that the result will be much better when they deal directly with people they know and see regularly rather then "tia dece ot america".

Having said that I think you really need to understand that you must represent the wishes of the Macedonian diaspora and not the Republic of Macedonia, US Government, UN, NATO or the EU - PRIORITY is DIASPORA

NGO's, speak on behalf of their people 100% of the time, no one else matters.

Currency Trader 09-04-2010 06:25 AM

[QUOTE=UMDiaspora.org;69240][B]We'll monitor Australian and European membership in the next year and evaluate[/B].[/QUOTE]


That's probably an excellent way to balance the board.



P.s A girl - and her name is "Leona"

Makedonska_Kafana 09-04-2010 09:30 AM

[QUOTE=UMDiaspora.org;69240]We'll monitor Australian and European membership in the[B] next year [/B]and evaluate. Thank you for the suggestions.[/QUOTE]
ebago, if you wait a year for australia ke si fotite parite, get busy it's a PRIORITY over boat cruises


[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGDljsDmllA]YouTube - Jordan Mitev - KRUSEVSKA REPUBLIKA[/url]


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UMDiaspora.org 09-04-2010 10:26 AM

Congratulations!
 
[QUOTE=Currency Trader;69272]That's probably an excellent way to balance the board.



P.s A girl - and her name is "Leona"[/QUOTE]

Congratulations on the baby!!!

BigMak 09-05-2010 05:02 AM

Victorian University survey
 
Victoria University is putting together a profile for Macedonians in Australia

This is run by UMDS resident professor Ordan Andreevski :yawn:

[url]http://www.cfses.com/survey-macedonia-2010.htm[/url]

Soldier of Macedon 09-05-2010 05:30 AM

UMD aren't worthy of commenting on the Macedonians in Australia, even if it is done by Ordan, the puppet who tries to 'intimidate' people into not questioning UMD policies when his master is around.

Vangelovski 09-05-2010 05:58 AM

Some section of the survey are quite telling. UMD seems to be pushing for what they call an "Australia-Macedonia Roadmap". Here is Question 17 and possible answers:

[quote]17. To what extent do you agree or disagree with the following statements about which stakeholders should be responsible for the delivery of the Australia-Macedonia Roadmap?

[LIST][*] The Australian Prime Minister and the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet[*] The Australian Foreign Minister and the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade[*] The Australian Ministry of Education[*] Austrade[*] Australia-Macedonia Parliamentary Friendship Group[*] Diplomats of the Republic of Macedonia in Australia[*] [B]The United Macedonian Diaspora[/B][*] Macedonian National Council of Australia and affiliated organisations[*] Australian Universities and Think Tanks[*] The Coalition in Federal Parliament[*] The Australian Greens and other minor parties[*] All of the above[/quote][/LIST]Now UMD wants to drive Australian policy with regard to the Macedonian Australian Community.

Soldier of Macedon 09-05-2010 06:07 AM

UMD will never have any relevance in Australia outside talk-back radio shows, and they know it.

Risto the Great 09-05-2010 06:16 AM

Far be it from me to blow the MTO horn. But I would say the MTO is far more likely to influence the "roadmap" than the UMD. And that really is not saying much but still saying something. I can also think of a number of other organisations that would rate much higher than the UMD for that question. But I bet the marketing guru at UMD will suggest anyone voting for "all of the above" is clearly stating the necessity of UMD.

julie 09-05-2010 06:45 AM

am concerned with the survey, what does our political preferences eg, votes for the Greens need to be disclosed to the UMD for starters.
Anyone that does not agree with the Australian political system which is sorely outdated under the auspices of British colonisation and the legal system cannot answer the survey, who will they disclose this information too?
There may be public servant Macedonians that have to be apolitical, and this would preclude anyone from completing their surveys.
If such disclosure is to be requested from this "roadmap", then I would ask the same from the UMD in their openness and accountability in regard to questions Vangelovski posed requesting financials, which they have not answered.

Rogi 09-05-2010 07:48 AM

It is being run by the Australian Research Council, it is a major research project (to the tune of ~$1m) into Australia's ethnic communities and the Macedonian community will be one of the 5 studied.

I believe the Macedonian Government has also put some money, albeit nominal, toward this research project.

I also believe that upon hearing that the 'Macedonian' community is one of the communities to be involved in the study, the Greek community (and Gov) withdrew from the project (they were to be one of the other communities).

I think it is a very worthy research project and something that can in future be used, and will likely be used (whether by our community, or by others, depending on the content) in future lobbying efforts.

Let me put it another way - like it or not, the research is going ahead and will perhaps carry some weight when complete, so I think it is therefore important that its' content be right on the mark through involvement of the Macedonian community, rather than us having a completely dismissive and thus non-involved position on this, which could end up biting us all on the arse in the end.

Prolet 09-05-2010 08:02 AM

[QUOTE=Currency Trader;69272]

P.s A girl - and her name is "Leona"[/QUOTE]

CT, Neka e ziva i zdrava kerkickata tvoja :clap:

:balloon: :balloon: :balloon: :sorcerer:

julie 09-05-2010 08:03 AM

blessings of health and good fortune for your little one CT :)

Soldier of Macedon 09-05-2010 08:14 AM

Prolet, shrink the size of your signature. And don't refer to Aleksandrov's signature, it is for a particular purpose that the MTO supports strongly.

Prolet 09-05-2010 08:42 AM

SOM, Who said anything about Aleksandrov's signature?

Soldier of Macedon 09-05-2010 08:45 AM

I was pre-empting a stupid comparison from you. Are you going to shrink your signature or are you going to test my patience also?

Prolet 09-05-2010 08:55 AM

Its already done

From size 5 to size 3

How can you accuse me for something i didnt even say??

Soldier of Macedon 09-05-2010 08:58 AM

I have reduced it to size 2. Leave it as is.

Prolet 09-05-2010 09:01 AM

i got no problem with that

Im just shocked you'd accuse me for making a stupid comparison when i never even mentioned anybody elses signature.

Soldier of Macedon 09-05-2010 09:02 AM

I'm glad, Prolet, go and tell juzhni about it, he might want to bodge up another informator article that nobody reads.

Makedonska_Kafana 09-05-2010 09:13 AM

[QUOTE=Makedonska_Kafana;69241]

I can't stress how important Australia is in the overall success of your organization. Planning committee's are for "planning" and don't have the same effect as a full fledge country board. Once you allow Australia, Canada and Germany to promote themselves you may find that the result will be much better when they deal directly with people they know and see regularly rather then "tia dece ot america".

Having said that I think you really need to understand that you must represent the wishes of the Macedonian diaspora and not the Republic of Macedonia, US Government, UN, NATO or the EU - PRIORITY is DIASPORA

NGO's, speak on behalf of their people 100% of the time, no one else matters.[/QUOTE]

Meto, did you forget about this reply?

Prolet 09-05-2010 09:14 AM

SOM, Who's Juzhni?

Soldier of Macedon 09-05-2010 09:16 AM

Playing stupid again, are we? Go and consult your circus at informator.

Makedonska_Kafana 09-05-2010 09:18 AM

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;69385]Playing stupid again, are we? Go and consult your circus at informator.[/QUOTE]

not pleased with nikola either, prolet that guy likes to use people - never going to pull that shit with me


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