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[QUOTE=julie;59516]ha ha ha ha ha, love it Phoenix, incidentally, I thought my mate Buktop was a lawyer seeing he has been so technically legal in his criticism.
Why is it anyone that is not a member of his organisation is criticised and belittled? A rhetorical question, moreso an observation.
Control freak are 2 words that come to mind[/QUOTE]

I don't belittle people because they don't support UMD, as a matter of fact, I don't ever belittle people. When a person says something rude or offensive to me, I tend to get a little more brazen with my replies, but never out of line.

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;59574]Read some of the posts by "Piperka" on this forum. I like him .... and he is a Macedonian from USA.

Again, prove what USA has done for Macedonia and weigh it carefully against what it has done against Macedonia. Then feel free to compare it with Australia.[/QUOTE]

For me to do this I would have to know what exactly Australia has ever done for Macedonia, I have been searching for a while but just can't seem to find anything...

[QUOTE=Pelister;59585]Buktop wrote:

In reference to the name of our country !!

Is Buktop even a Macedonian? You have pissed me off now.
Its morons like yourself dividing our country and shitting all over our history, and shitting all over our sacrifices.[/QUOTE]

It was a typo, relax... your was supposed to be our, but as you know the Y is next to the U.

My family have sacrificed as much as any of your families have, and it is extremely disrespectful for you to even question that.

[QUOTE=Buktop;59639]What I said was, despite the harm the US has done, they have done far more good than Australia has.[/QUOTE]

I am having a Buktopianasm just thinking about your statement. Let me get this right, "despite the harm the USA has done, it has done more good than Australia has."

Australia has not done any harm to Macedonia.

Join the dots.

I will understand if you want me to edit your post for you once it all clicks inside your head. If ever.

[QUOTE=Buktop;59643]For me to do this I would have to know what exactly Australia has ever done for Macedonia, I have been searching for a while but just can't seem to find anything...[/QUOTE]
Don't bother looking.
Now just list the single most harmful thing the USA has done AGAINST Macedonia. This flows on from my Buktopianasm .... weigh up the harmful thing against what USA has done for Macedonia.

While you are at it, please remind what USA has done for Macedonia.

[quote=Buktop;59630]I originally posted it on Maknews to get your opinion on it, knowing that you are a person who particularly focus' on legal issues, you never gave me your opinion.

I have never claimed to be a legal expert, nor have I claimed that I have practiced law, I am posting this case as an observer, and an enthusiast.

This case decided that Greece would not be responsible for paying the costs incurred by Macedonia and that actions taken by Greece were justified, as well as the invoking of interim measures.

My view of this case is that it gives legality to actions taken by Greece against Macedonia, and that Greece is not responsible for costs incurred by Macedonia as a result of those actions. This says to me that if a similar situation occurs in the future, that we may see similar measures taken by Greece. Though we know in reality, this is not the case, and completely against the principles of sovereignty and human rights.

I am genuinely interested in your opinion, and I am also interested if you know of any other articles or precedents that may bare weight on the illegality of actions taken by Greece, I have been trying to do some research, but again, I am no expert.[/quote]

Buktop,

How about you try reading the decision again, and this time come up with a "view" that does not pervert the meaning of the decision. You could start my taking note of the applicant and the defendent and to which costs are in question and what is being asked in relation to costs.

Further, seeing as it was [B]never determined[/B] whether Greece's actions were justified, how on earth did you read from this particular decision that Greece's actions [B]were justified[/B]?

I'm not quite sure how one could have come to the conclusions you have, if they actually read the decision and understood who was taking action against who and what the matter in question was?

Finally, why are you spreading such nonsense? Is this some sort of diversion tactic to confuse the general readership into thinking you are not really a subservient vassal pushing Gligorovist ideology?

[QUOTE=Buktop;59480]If I had a quarter for every time Vangelovski and Indigen called me a Vassal, I would be twice as rich as Bitove ever dreamed of being...[/QUOTE]
Actally, BT, I would rarely, if ever, call you a VASSAL! I view the vassal designation in terms of a medieval concept that applied to a subservient ruler of some fiefdom and you don't fit the bill to get the privilege of being designated as such. Though a VASSAL's LAPDOG comes to mind as an appropriate designation, IMHO! :-)

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As I understand it, S. Kerim is one of the ICs VASSALS that UMDovci are ideological lapdogs of and the following article of 2001 might shine some light on his role in adopting and implementing the FA (Ramkoven dogovor):

ПО КОМПЛИКАЦИИТЕ ШТО ГИ НАПРАВИ СТОЈАН АНДОВ СО ГОЛЕМАТА КОАЛИЦИЈА
Гуштеров и Керим избезумени се враќаат од Флорида

На списокот на вчера предложените амбасадори е и Срѓан Керим кого Владата го именуваше за Њујорк, но Керим, на пат за татковината, порачува "Андов ме намести"

Раководството на Либералната партија, особено силното бизнис лоби, од завчера е на "нога", откако се слушна дека партијата ги изгуби позициите во договорената голема коалиција и дека поради Стојан Андов е жртвуван дипломатот Срѓан Керим. Лидерот Ристо Гуштеров, заедно со Керим го прекинуваат престојот на Флорида и избезумени денес се враќаат во Скопје. Гуштеров е во странство од поодамна, бркајќи го својот бизнис, а Керим му се придружил на Флорида на постоперативна инхалација. Се говори дека, излезени од кожа поради постапките на сопартиецот Стојан Андов, доаѓаат за да средат што може да се среди и либералите да ги задржат местата во Владата.

Високи претставници од ЛП, до доцна по полноќ заглавиле кај премиерот Георгиевски, убедувајќи го да го врати Срѓан Керим назад, на чело на МНР. Барале и предлагале начини како да го истрампаат Андов за Керим, по инструкции на Гуштеров. Претходно, како што пренесуваат владини извори, Гуштеров имал жесток и прилично долг разговор по телефон со Георгиевски, за да се исправи грешката. "Цврст став на ЛП е дека Срѓан Керим треба да остане министер за внатрешни работи, а Зоран Крстевски заменик-претседател на Владата, одговорен за европски интеграции. Ако нема таква одлука, не гледаме место на ЛП во широката владина коалиција", изјави вчера Гуштеров за МИА, кој притоа смета дека нивното останување во Владата е од витален интерес за Македонија. Тој најавил дека ќе се врати денес, кога ќе се одржи итна седница на Извршниот комитет на партијата. "Доцна во вторникот разговарав со Бранко Црвенковски, и дојдовме дозаедничка констатација за оправданоста на овој предлог, а отстапката во полза на опозицијата да биде функцијата претседател на Собранието. Во секој момент очекувам да се слушнам и со премиерот Георгиевски, кого ќе го запознаам со разговорот со Црвенковски, по што очекувам Георгиевски да настапи со нов предлог пред него. Навистина нема аргументи против предлогот да останат двајцата членови на ЛП на сегашните функции во широката владина коалиција".

Неговиот стави е јасен - "Либерална е подготвена да го жртвува Стојан Андов, а Срѓан Керим да остане министер за надворешни. Ако не се почитува тоа, ЛП ќе излезе од владата", навести Гуштеров. Тој рече дека раководството стои на позицијата дека "нивните две места во Владата не треба да бидат спорни". Според Гуштеров, за Македонија од витален интерес било Керим и Крстевски да останат во Владата, а отстапка да се направи со напуштање на функцијата на Андов.

Андов вчера за драмата кај либералите не даде никаква изјава, а во јавноста беше лиферувана шпекулацијата дека тој најавил дека сам ќе си поднесе оставка.

Во СДСМ, пак, велат дека ним им е сосема сеедно дали ќе го земат МНР или функцијата претседател на Собранието. Таму вчера ни беше потврдено дека Љубчо и Бранко, дефинитивно, се договориле дека "Керим оди амбасадор во Њујорк, а Гуштеров манипулира со јавноста". Дилемата - Керим или Андов - вчера добиваше вртоглаво брзи, различни одовори секој момент. Последната информација што ја пренесоа владини извори, беше таа дека Андов, сепак, останува на функцијата, а Керим нема да се врати назад на чело на МНР, но ќе биде амбасадор во Њујорк! "Како министер за надворешни работи не можам да се изјаснам за неофицијална работа како што е наводното амбасадорско место наменето за мене. Ова е хипотетичко прашање на кое сега не сакам да одговорам. За овој предлог ќе кажам денеска, по моето враќање во Скопје", изјави Керим за А1. На прашањето - дали го "мести" неговиот сопартиец Андов, Керим се сомнева: "По се изгледа, има елементи да се верува во такво нешто. Претседателот на ЛП Ристо Гуштеров не беше многу за формирање на еден став, што му беше дополнително кажан", изјави Керим за А 1.

[SIZE="4"]Вчера за Срѓан Керим лобираа буквално сите - освен самите либерали, голем дел и високи функционери од ВМРО-ДПМНЕ оценија дека [COLOR="Red"][B]"моментно никој не може да го замени Керим, зашто тој одлично ја одигра својата улога за време на кризата".[/B][/COLOR] [/SIZE]Сепак, најмногу од сите комплименти и притисоци за Керим, изненади претседателот на МПЦ "Свети Климент Охридски" во Торонто (Канада) Стив Плиакас, кој упати писмо до премиерот Георгиевски и до претседателот Трајковски, во кое оценува дека "евентуалниот таков чекор би претставувал голема грешка. Енергично ве повикувам Срѓан Керим да остане на досегашната функција министер за надворешни работи", вели Плиакас. (С.К.)

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[quote=indigen;59658]Actally, BT, I would rarely, if ever, call you a VASSAL! I view the vassal designation in terms of a medieval concept that applied to a subservient ruler of some fiefdom and you don't fit the bill to get the privilege of being designated as such. Though a VASSAL's LAPDOG comes to mind as an appropriate designation, IMHO! :-)[/quote]

This works for me :)

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;59657]Buktop,

How about you try reading the decision again, and this time come up with a "view" that does not pervert the meaning of the decision. You could start my taking note of the applicant and the defendent and to which costs are in question and what is being asked in relation to costs.

Further, seeing as it was [B]never determined[/B] whether Greece's actions were justified, how on earth did you read from this particular decision that Greece's actions [B]were justified[/B]?

I'm not quite sure how one could have come to the conclusions you have, if they actually read the decision and understood who was taking action against who and what the matter in question was?

Finally, why are you spreading such nonsense? Is this some sort of diversion tactic to confuse the general readership into thinking you are not really a subservient vassal pushing Gligorovist ideology?[/QUOTE]

Read article 224 of the treaty of Rome

[QUOTE=indigen;59658]Actally, BT, I would rarely, if ever, call you a VASSAL! I view the vassal designation in terms of a medieval concept that applied to a subservient ruler of some fiefdom and you don't fit the bill to get the privilege of being designated as such. Though a VASSAL's LAPDOG comes to mind as an appropriate designation, IMHO! :-)[/QUOTE]
Thank you for the correction :)

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;59646]Don't bother looking.
Now just list the single most harmful thing the USA has done AGAINST Macedonia. This flows on from my Buktopianasm .... weigh up the harmful thing against what USA has done for Macedonia.

While you are at it, please remind what USA has done for Macedonia.[/QUOTE]

For me to do this, I must also divide the pro's and con's into 2 governments that were in power during the perpetration of the acts. In which case, I can only say that a Republican US benefits Macedonia, whereas Democratic US harms Macedonia. You and I both know the acts perpetrated against Macedonia took place (almost entirely) under the Clinton administration, whereas under Bush (though he was a moron) Macedonia enjoyed numerous benefits ranging from economic-military-political support.

I am still waiting to hear what good Australia has done? Simply by not respecting Macedonia's right to it's name means it is in support of Greek policy, and therefor is working against Macedonia. Why you keep making excuses for this is beyond me.

[QUOTE=indigen;59663]We may be going off-topic, but I will add that "Australia" (i.e. Macedonians living and operating there politically) gave Macedonia its one and only sovereign national flag - The Macedonian Sun and Macedonians their main national symbol for identity and unity.
[/QUOTE] How is that exactly?

[quote=Buktop;59661]Read article 224 of the treaty of Rome[/quote]

How about you reread the decision you posted and completely perverted in its meaning and then try to relate Article 224 to it rather than attempting more pathetic scaremongering. Seeing as you are now placing emphasis on Article 224 of the Treaty of Rome (and I'm not sure why for this particular decision, but I'm guessing so that you give your scaremongering the appearance of some truth behind it by quoting smart looking articles), you may want to look at how it was redefined by successive EU treaties.

[quote=Buktop;59664]Simply by not respecting Macedonia's right to it's name means it is in support of Greek policy, and therefor is working against Macedonia.[/quote]

Same for YOU/UMD with regard to the Interim Accord and the Framework Agreement.

[QUOTE=Buktop;59630]I originally posted it on Maknews to get your opinion on it, knowing that you are a person who particularly focus' on legal issues, you never gave me your opinion.

I have never claimed to be a legal expert, nor have I claimed that I have practiced law, I am posting this case as an observer, and an enthusiast.

This case decided that Greece would not be responsible for paying the costs incurred by Macedonia and that actions taken by Greece were justified, as well as the invoking of interim measures.

My view of this case is that it gives legality to actions taken by Greece against Macedonia, and that Greece is not responsible for costs incurred by Macedonia as a result of those actions. This says to me that if a similar situation occurs in the future, that we may see similar measures taken by Greece. Though we know in reality, this is not the case, and completely against the principles of sovereignty and human rights.

I am genuinely interested in your opinion, and I am also interested if you know of any other articles or precedents that may bare weight on the illegality of actions taken by Greece, I have been trying to do some research, but again, I am no expert.[/QUOTE]

I have not yet taken the time to analyze this case because you have not indicated why you think it is relevant in the contexts in which you have posted it. Of course some actions by one country against another may be found to not be in breach of international law. To present this case as being relevant to whatever argument you are trying to make, you first need to consider what laws or legal principles the plaintiff was seeking to apply to what facts, and what was the reasoning that the Court used to justify its decision. Are the particular laws or legal principles that the Court was asked to apply in that case a topic of any of the discussions in which you have cited the case? If so, to what extent were the facts in that case similar to the facts that formed the discussion topic in which you decided to cite it?

Independently of the above request for clarification from you about what you are trying to say, I should clarify that while I am strongly committed to the moral laws enshrined in the International Bill of Rights, I do not suffer from illusions of an adequate international judiciary and law enforcement agencies on which we can rely for their consistent application. The only current hope for non-arbitrary implementation of internationally codified human rights standards rests in the political will and grass-roots action of enlightened and self-empowered citizens.

[QUOTE=Buktop;59665]How is that exactly?[/QUOTE]
Do some research or wait for some other day for I to tell you.

[QUOTE=Buktop;59664]For me to do this, I must also divide the pro's and con's into 2 governments that were in power during the perpetration of the acts. In which case, I can only say that a Republican US benefits Macedonia, whereas Democratic US harms Macedonia. You and I both know the acts perpetrated against Macedonia took place (almost entirely) under the Clinton administration, whereas under Bush (though he was a moron) Macedonia enjoyed numerous benefits ranging from economic-military-political support.

I am still waiting to hear what good Australia has done? Simply by not respecting Macedonia's right to it's name means it is in support of Greek policy, and therefor is working against Macedonia. Why you keep making excuses for this is beyond me.[/QUOTE]
Wow, it is pretty convenient to split the USA into various Governments. Kind of like the "good cop bad cop routine". Australia did not influence Macedonia to lose its sovereignty. Nor did it assist the enemy during the 2001 war. Go on, admit it. The USA is no friend of Macedonia. The fact that it did "nice things" (which I still doubt) after destroying its sovereignty sounds like token gestures to me.

So how bad do you think Clinton was for Macedonia and can Macedonia ever recover with a mindset like yours? Be honest.

UMD Sends Protest Note to University of Oxford

E-mails: [email][email protected][/email]; [email][email protected][/email]; [email][email protected][/email]

Dear Ms. Adams and Mr. Anastasakis:

On behalf of the United Macedonian Diaspora (UMD), a leading organization for Macedonians worldwide, I am writing to express our disappointment over your recent publication on the Challenges and Prospects of South East European Economies in the Wake of the Financial Crisis (link: [url]http://www.sant.ox.ac.uk/seesox/pdf/Challengesreport.pdf[/url]). Although, we are quite interested in this topic, your publication was quite biased towards the Greek position on Macedonia and does not merit something that would come out of such a prestigious and respected institution as the University of Oxford. Throughout the publication, Macedonia is referred to as "FYROM," and "Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia." Neither of these terms describe the Republic of Macedonia, the official name of the country. Given that the University of Oxford is a British institution and that the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland's official policy is to refer to the country as Republic of Macedonia, we would not expect anything less than the University of Oxford to follow official reference for the country.

Furthermore, it is quite surprising that such a conference was organized without the participation of a Macedonian national bank or other financial institution representative. UMD understands your collaboration with the Bank of Greece, however playing ethnic politics or favoritism has no place in academia and respected institutions such as the University of Oxford.

We hope this mistake will be corrected.

Sincerely,

Metodija A. Koloski
President, United Macedonian Diaspora
[email][email protected][/email]

CC: Her Excellency, Ambassador of the Republic of Macedonia to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Ambassador Marija Efremova
Goran Mickovski, UMD representative based in London

That's an achievment!

UMD's promotional material is scrapping the bottom of the barrell these days...I thought such an important "national resource" and "defender" of state institutions would be rubbing shoulders with the Camerons and the Obamas.

[QUOTE=Bratot;59686]That's an achievment![/QUOTE]

Not really. :-/ An achievement would be when we succeed in getting the University of Oxford to refer to Macedonia as Macedonia.

The point of the posting is to get you all to write a protest note to the University to complain, not to sit around and call the note an achievement.

Do you take us for retards UMD?

We were doing such e-mail campaigns when we were in highschool and have seen dozens of online pettitions... do you know how worth that is?

- ZERO point zero zero zero one

If your action limit on a email campaign and "organizing" a group of spammers with one and the same email message, I wonder how you expect to be taken seriously as the " leading organization for Macedonians worldwide".

There is only one right way and couple side in order to achieve something. You have to go after their pockets.

For example juridical prosecution and media attention directed toward this author, no institution seek negative light especially not "discriminatory" one and harming it's reputation.
The only way to teach those biased authors and the rest who might do the same in future is that no one should mess with us and we are capable enough to go after every each of them if they try.

Plus you will gain money from the case which are not less than 10.000 euros for such subject where you can play all you want among "discrimination, racism, national insult, trauma etc."

And the media love it!

UMD, by the time we get to page 200 of this thread, do you think you could announce;

[I]We at the UMD apologise for our past errors, (and list them).

We undertake an oath to work along with other Macedonian groups and stop the grandstanding we have been attempting to make to date.

The UMD will also turn a new leaf and become a transparent organisation.[/I]

What do you say to this kind of announcement guys?

Risto, Australia is the only country in the world where we are recognized as Slav Macedonians, im not going to defend the American administrations here but the Australians one especially the Howard and Rudd Governments have been very poor towards Macedonia.

Macedonian Activist Aco Taleski was right about Australia.

[QUOTE=Prolet;59703]Risto, Australia is the only country in the world where we are recognized as Slav Macedonians, im not going to defend the American administrations here but the Australians one especially the Howard and Rudd Governments have been very poor towards Macedonia.

Macedonian Activist Aco Taleski was right about Australia.[/QUOTE]

Prolet, here is an old saying:

[I]Sticks and stones and assisting Albanian terrorists will break my bones, but names will never hurt me.
[/I]

Names do hurt a little, but ensuring Macedonia was downgraded to a state of semi sovereignty to suit the interests of USA military and economic strategy in the Balkans was far more damaging. And Buckwit is thankful for this. He should lead the UMD into its new phase in my opinion.

p.s. The AMHRC proved in court here in Australia that "Slav Macedonians" was illegal and therefore inappropriate.

Buktop has not come back to help me with this dilemma yet. He thinks USA has done a great deal for Macedonia. Altruistically I would imagine. He thinks that we can look beyond some of the naughty things the USA has done to Macedonia and that we should be thankful for their assistance with regard to things like the spy fortress in Macedonia now amongst other things.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Message to Macedonians: [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-pLALxqEz4]YouTube - Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Message to the 2nd Annual UMD Global Conference[/url]

[quote=Prolet;59703]Risto, Australia is the only country in the world where we are recognized as Slav Macedonians, im not going to defend the American administrations here but the Australians one especially the Howard and Rudd Governments have been very poor towards Macedonia.

Macedonian Activist Aco Taleski was right about Australia.[/quote]

Prolet, can you post ONE current Australian Government document, website or anything that refers to us as "Slav Macedonians"? Or are you still spreading charsishki muabeti?

Takvoto go boli za Makedonija.

"What has Australia done for Macedonia"

Australia(n's) have commenced the Macedonian Truth Organisation!
This is an organisation that seeks the truth about Macedonia and Macedonians and is open to all people of the world to learn, express and debate their views on all topics relating to the Macedonian Cause/truth/nation/people/government/policies etc.
The commencement of this organisation has uinified Macedonians from around the world, the MTO has also exposed the fudamental flaws in policy/actions/ideals and postions of the successive governments of the ROM, UMD and other capitulist organisations, NGO's and non-truly patriotic organisations. The Macedonian Truth Organisation has single handedly prevented the further erosion of the Macedonian identity, questioned the path taken to date which has led to the erosion of identity/human rights of the Macedonian people. In short it has done more for the awakening of the Macedonian consciouness and defining the Macedonian Cause and prevented the total capitulation of the Sovreignity of the Macedonian culture/language/history and identity.
This is a brief summary of what Australia has done for Macedonia through the MTO - feel free to add to the list of the MTO's achievements.

At least, the Canadian Prime Minister would come out with such a statement. We don't see much leadership from Australia's PM Kevin Rudd.

Oh I know and agree, K.Rudd is completely spineless on Macedonian matters and seems beholden to the Greeks.

But let's not kid ourselves about Harper actually supporting Macedonia in any altruistic way and we shouldn't be complacent with small crumbs.

[QUOTE=Rogi;59731]Oh I know and agree, K.Rudd is completely spineless on Macedonian matters and seems beholden to the Greeks.

But let's not kid ourselves about Harper actually supporting Macedonia in any altruistic way and we shouldn't be complacent with small crumbs.[/QUOTE]

Rogi - I believe you are right and of course Harper is a politician fishing for votes however its still a positive stance. I don't think he minced words in his statement. His support of us even in this small way has the Greeks here fuming. I am not trivializing the precarious future ahead for Macedonia but once and while we Macedonians have to celebrate something.

PM Harper is a friend to Macedonia and Macedonians. It is quite significant for a Canadian Prime Minister to be such a friend. He is the first to visit a Macedonian Orthodox Church in Toronto. The increase in bilateral relations between Canada and Macedonia in recent years is exemplary. His message to Macedonians is greatly appreciated, and definitely shows the strength of the Canadian-Macedonian community.

Risto, AMHRC proved in court about the Slav Macedonian Laguage that it doesnt exist thats it, i remember Rogi posting the documents and Rogi is a good source when it comes to information like that.

Vangelovski, Are you suggesting that Macedonian Activist Aco Taleski is wrong? What more proof do you need when we have two state premiers who've called us Slav Macedonians. We've heard it all from the horses mouth before.

[QUOTE=Prolet;59740]Risto, AMHRC proved in court about the Slav Macedonian Laguage that it doesnt exist thats it, i remember Rogi posting the documents and Rogi is a good source when it comes to information like that.

Vangelovski, Are you suggesting that Macedonian Activist Aco Taleski is wrong? What more proof do you need when we have two state premiers who've called us Slav Macedonians. We've heard it all from the horses mouth before.[/QUOTE]

P., there is the "Slav-Prefix" Directive on the books from 1994 and it is valid and current policy of Australia. It does not seem to be applied much in practice but it did (and does) placate the "Greeks". When in 1994 a campaign of violence and burnings was unleashed on a scale never seen before in Australia, it is assumed, since to my knowledge no one was ever legally charged, that it was extreme elements of our southern neighbours who were responsible for such acts. This no doubt INTIMIDATED Australian politicians and, IMO, had all the hallmarks of foreign (Greek state) agents inflaming or even instigating many of these incidents. This "PASSION" displayed by the "Greeks" had a "persuasive influence" on Australian politicians. Add to this the very active Greek organised community, which runs quite a number of ALP branches, especially in Victoria, and one should not be surprised of how events of 1994 turned out against Macedonian national interests. The Greek protest rallies were the biggest seen since anti-Vietnam War protests (1960s-1970s) and Nuclear Disarmament rallies of 1980s, 40-60k plus in both Sydney and Melbourne over a period of 2 years (92-94).

Secondly, "Slav Macedonian" label is self-applied by many Macedonians and Macedonian state institutions and agencies and it is HYPOCRITICAL to complain to Australia when you have Gligorov, Georgievski, Trajkovski, Crvenkovski, and the rest of the VASSALS propagating that this is what we are! There are even MTO heroes who preach about "Slav Speakers" without ever being criticised. I wont name names but a Google search for [B]"Slav Speakers"[/B] might bring the culprits to view.

Lastly, IMO, it would be more productive to FIRST eliminate the "Slav" designation at its root cause, in Macedonia and amongst Macedonians and Macedonian state, media, political institutions and agencies and community organisations that regurgitate this anti-Macedonian outdated propaganda, rather than worrying too much about SECONDARY symptoms of the original infection. Treat the cause and not the symptoms!

[QUOTE=Prolet;59703]Risto, Australia is the only country in the world where we are recognized as Slav Macedonians,...[/QUOTE]

Please refer us to an authoritative source indicating that "we" are CURRENTLY "recognized as Slav Macedonians" by Australia? The only Australian 'recognition' I know of is that of the "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia", whose Government has accepted that perpetual 'temporary reference' for entry into the UN and for its relations with about half the countries in the world.

Australia has no such process as 'recognizing' or 'not recognising' ethnicities on a case by case basis. Yes, in 1994 its Foreign Affairs Minister accepted Greek demands to refer to "people associated with FYROM" as "Slav Macedonians", but at that time the Government of 'FYROM' itself identified ethnic Macedonians as "Slav Macedonians" in promotional material and in numerous public statements. Once the Australian Federal Government was made well aware by the AUSTRALIAN Macedonian community that it considers the "Slav" prefix to be a racial slur, serving the denial of the heritage and right to free self-identification of ethnic Macedonians, it stopped using the "Slav" prefix to identify Macedonians who do not want to be identified as such. In fact, the reaction by the AUSTRALIAN Macedonian community was so instant and overwhelming that the Federal Government hardly got a chance to even start using the "Slav" prefix. What it does continue to use, however, is the "FYROM" name, based on the fact that the FYROM Government has voluntarily accepted that name as a temporary compromise in its dispute with Greece. Unlike the USA, Australia has no interest in offering the Republic of Macedonia a superficial carrot i.e. it does not have a substantial strategic interest in attempting to exploit the Republic of Macedonia and detrimentally interfering in its internal affairs, so it has no interest in pulling the wool over the eyes of Macedonians in the Republic of Macedonia with recognition of its 'constitutional' name before the ongoing "name negotiations" with Greece have concluded.

[quote=UMDiaspora.org;59733]PM Harper is a friend to Macedonia and Macedonians. It is quite significant for a Canadian Prime Minister to be such a friend. He is the first to visit a Macedonian Orthodox Church in Toronto. The increase in bilateral relations between Canada and Macedonia in recent years is exemplary. His message to Macedonians is greatly appreciated, and definitely shows the strength of the Canadian-Macedonian community.[/quote]

UMD's Goce Delcev Award is cheap indeed...