I'm wondering who the legal "genius" is that advises UMD? In their press release, they call on Macedonia to submit a resolution to the UN General Assembly AND the Security Council so that it is READMITTED under the name "Republic of Macedonia". WHY? Why do we need the UN to vote on our name?

Here is an example:

Cameroon: Previously referred to as [COLOR=Black][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameroun"][COLOR=#000000]Cameroun[/COLOR][/URL][/COLOR] (before merging with [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Cameroons"][COLOR=#000000]Southern Cameroons[/COLOR][/URL] in 1961). [B]By a letter[/B] of 4 January 1974, [B]the Secretary-General was informed[/B] that Cameroon had changed its name to the United Republic of Cameroon. Name was changed back to Cameroon on 4 February 1984.

Iran (Islamic Republic of): Previously referred to as Iran. [B]By a communication[/B] of 5 March 1981, [B]Iran informed the Secretary-General[/B] that it should be referred to by its complete name of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

[url]http://www.un.org/en/members/growth.shtml#text[/url]

These are examples of SOVEREIGN states who INFORMED the UN through an official letter of their name changes. UMD, and whoever its legal “genius” is, wants the 200+ members of the UN to DECIDED what our name is, rathen than have the Macedonian Government act on behalf of the sovereign Macedonian people and INFORM the UN that we are no longer FYROM, but MACEDONIA.

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;59432]I'm wondering who the legal "genius" is that advises UMD? In their press release, they call on Macedonia to submit a resolution to the UN General Assembly AND the Security Council so that it is READMITTED under the name "Republic of Macedonia". WHY? Why do we need the UN to vote on our name?

Here is an example:

Cameroon: Previously referred to as [COLOR=Black][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameroun"][COLOR=#000000]Cameroun[/COLOR][/URL][/COLOR] (before merging with [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Cameroons"][COLOR=#000000]Southern Cameroons[/COLOR][/URL] in 1961). [B]By a letter[/B] of 4 January 1974, [B]the Secretary-General was informed[/B] that Cameroon had changed its name to the United Republic of Cameroon. Name was changed back to Cameroon on 4 February 1984.

Iran (Islamic Republic of): Previously referred to as Iran. [B]By a communication[/B] of 5 March 1981, [B]Iran informed the Secretary-General[/B] that it should be referred to by its complete name of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

These are examples of SOVEREIGN states who INFORMED the UN through an official letter of their name changes. UMD, and whoever its legal “genius” is, wants the 200+ members of the UN to DECIDED what our name is, rather than have the Macedonian Government act on behalf of the sovereign Macedonian people and INFORM the UN that we are no longer FYROM, but MACEDONIA.[/QUOTE]

I guess it is the graduates of "The Meto Koloski and Buktop School of Strategic Geopolitics"? I have seen same mantra in many a Buktop post, so I guess they are in a political loop with like-minded VASSAL "strategists"!? To think that these are "highly educated" and the "cream" of Macedonian intellect, what a waste of money for their miss-education.

[quote=indigen;59434]I guess it is the graduates of "The Meto Koloski and Buktop School of Strategic Geopolitics"? I have seen same mantra in many a Buktop post, so I guess they are in a political loop with like-minded VASSAL "strategists"!? To think that these are "highly educated" and the "cream" of Macedonian intellect, what a waste of money for their miss-education.[/quote]

They're the students of Gligorov and Bitove - the Grand Masters...what do they like to call them again..."statesmen"?

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;59435]They're the students of Gligorov and Bitove - the Grand Masters...what do they like to call them again..."statesmen"?[/QUOTE]

Yes, I would go with that and also their eminent successors such as Srgjan Kerim (he is of Turkish ethnicity, too) and no doubt Frchkovski or his associates, amongst many others.

[QUOTE=Buktop;59368]Well, Australians would be my guess, or in particular members here. But the fact that they do not currently have a position means they are taking the time to properly draft a position.[/QUOTE]Quote:
Originally Posted by julie
who are we going to alientate and offend?
Are we the only nation in this universe that cannot stand up for itself?

Well, Australians would be my guess, or in particular members here. But the fact that they do not currently have a position means they are taking the time to properly draft a position.
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[QUOTE=Buktop;59339]More like safe, primarily legal language absolving themselves of a specific stance until a proper draft of their position can be published rather than putting out a position that will alienate and offend.[/QUOTE]


Buktop you are seriously pissing me off. In a bad way. If you were my son I would put you over my knee and spank you.
You have misquoted me and I have copied and pasted the above.
Rock on Australia for not being an arse kissing brown nosing napalm funded trigger happy nation by the likes of your pathetic disgusting lot.
You have gone too far.
If you dont like the members of this forum and their fight for the Macedonian cause then piss off and shove it up your effed up organisation thatr harbors and funds the likes of MPO and awards medals to heroes that will sell my Macedonian name.
Every time I soften and start believing your organisation is starting to do something for the Macedonian nation inclusive of the disapota YOU are th one that goes contra
fark off
you low life piece of scum for misquoting me and leave Australia out of it, because Australia never funded the bombing of my blood nor did they fund the likes of terrorists like the Israelis.
you yankee doodle danders are all the same

[QUOTE=julie;59445]
Buktop you are seriously pissing me off. In a bad way. If you were my son I would put you over my knee and spank you.
[/QUOTE]

Jules, what makes you think that Buktop would consider such actions as punishment...?

Buktop is a simple disciple of subservience, he's accustomed to the roles of master and unquestioning servant, he takes for granted his role as arse-kisser, boot licker and to be lead like a dog...

Phoenix, Gospod zravje da im dade chedo moye. LMAO needed that.

I have seen the light Phoenix and can actually see that is so

[QUOTE=Phoenix;59421]C'mon Buktop, get off the fuckin' fence, you must enjoy the splinters in your arse...

"...taking time to properly draft a position"...what a fuckin' imbecile.

The fact that they do not currently have a position is glaring proof of their ineptitude to set a policy in concrete, it shows an inability to set a policy that will protect Macedonian interests, instead their dragging of feet reeks of subservience to somebody elses cause, not that of the Macedonian people...

UMD would much rather craft a dynamic policy, one that will bend in the wind to appease their masters in Washington and their crooked supporters within Macedonia...[/QUOTE]

Surely by now all of the UMD apologists out there would have developed internal hemroids because they have been sitting on the (american) fence for so long now.....

If I had a quarter for every time Vangelovski and Indigen called me a Vassal, I would be twice as rich as Bitove ever dreamed of being...

Vangelovski, Why do you think that no one in our successive governments over the past 20 years has bothered to inform the UN Secretary General of the re-assumption of Macedonia's historical/constitutional name? What would hold our government back from taking this course of action?

Could it be that Iran and Cameroon had no name/territorial disputes with other countries at the time of their renaming?

perhaps you haven't read Order of the President of the Court of 19 March 1996. Commission of the European Communities v Hellenic Republic. Removal from the register. Case C-120/94.
[url]http://eur-lex.europa.eu/smartapi/cgi/sga_doc?smartapi!celexplus!prod!CELEXnumdoc&lg=en&numdoc=61994O0120%2801%29[/url]

and
[url]http://www.jstor.org/pss/2204210[/url]

Whereas the examples you cited in Cameroon and Iran are completely different from the Macedonian situation, and can not be compared.


And to think that you claimed to have an intimate knowledge of law (or legal principle) when you don't even know what the hell the actual legal argument is... I have posted this case several times only to have it shrugged off by none other than yourself (as well as aleksandrov) The only one to actually respond to my posting of this case was Dzog, showing true legal prowess.

You on the other hand, have not shown the same professionalism, nor even comparable legal knowledge when it concerns international law and Macedonia...

Buktop,

I never claimed to have an "intimate knowledge of law" - you assumed that yourself, perhaps as a result of reading my posts :)

You are a subservient VASSAL and each and every one of your posts attests to that.

The fact that you legitimise Greece's "concerns" as being a factor in limiting Macedonia from naming itself or informing the UN of its state name is a further testament to your subservience.

Freedom has no place in you, nor do you have a place in a free society. I'm not surprised people like Putin and Tito are your heroes.

Buktop, pray tell, what strategies should RoM have in place?
And while you are there, have you double checked your sources with your organisation so that you are not misrepresenting them.

I did not realise you were a lawyer, so forgive my ignorance and stupidity, however, your lack of respect is quite offensive, and I do not need any academic qualification in US yamkee doodlelaw land to tell you that you should perhaps put yours to good use in wiping the verbal diarhea off of you

territorial disputes - for goodness sake. RoM is hardly in a position to RIGHTFULLY ANNEX AND RECLAIM egeysa, mala prespa and pirinska Makedonia

You are obviously one of those traitor types that did not have any loss of life in their bloodline which is why you are so dispassionate with us losing our heritage and name and bow down to the likes of organisations that dont give a shit

You continue to provoke and belittle Vangelovski and Indigen who are patriots to the Macedonian cause.
am not sure what your cause and fight is for . unless it is to create disharmony and disunity.

neznam od kade si, poteklo mozhe e ili srbski ili grchki oti Makedonetz vaka ne pravi kako shto pravish ti, se sitat dushmanite so nas shto chitat vaka, and dare I say this even UMD dont bow down to your level

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;59393]How long do they need mate? Another 5 years? How do you properly draft a position that says "no negotiations except for the negotiations already negotiated" .... and still sound sane?[/QUOTE]

I don't know what the board is debating on regarding this issue, I don't know the key terminology they are debating, all I know is that when an organization claims that they do not currently maintain a position on an issue, they are trying to decide on the best possible terminology, or legal wording to issue that policy. It does not mean that they are condoning or in support of that issue.

[quote="Soldier of Macedon"]Buktop, seriously, that's pathetic.

How long has this issue existed for, how long has the UMD been around for - And they still (according to you) need more time to "draft" a position? You are a sorry apologist mate, and you haven't changed a bit. How pathetic it is to see Macedonians from America blindly following and defending the UMD at every turn, irrespective of their stupidity and treachery.

Why on earth would they "alienate" or "offend" Macedonians in Australia if they came out with a statement now? Oh that's right, lack of consistency, lack of integrity, lack of principle, etc. Now I remember why more than 95% voters went against UMD as their representative. Meto was a part of the 5%, forgot who the other one was, some blind apologist I would gather.

Do you know why people are apologists, Buktop? It has nothing to do with their support of the UMD, but more the fact that they support the UMD in decisions that are clearly and obviously wrong and not worthy of support by any self-respecting Macedonians. [/quote] SoM, you have your opinion and you are welcome to it... I have provided counter arguments for nearly everything you have come up with, and yet it is all pathetic to you, at this point I don't care whether you or anyone on this forum likes the UMD, I am saying that the fact that they don't have a position does not mean they support it by default. It does take time to come up with a specific, carefully worded position, especially after so many of you spend much of your time over-analyzing quotes and taking statements out of context. Your little poll really means nothing considering that it does not represent an accurate representation of the Macedonian diaspora and only serves to support a propogandized version of your reality.

Are you the UMD Buktop, or someone that only serves to support a propogandised version of your reality.

[QUOTE=julie;59445]

Buktop you are seriously pissing me off. In a bad way. If you were my son I would put you over my knee and spank you.
You have misquoted me and I have copied and pasted the above.
Rock on Australia for not being an arse kissing brown nosing napalm funded trigger happy nation by the likes of your pathetic disgusting lot.
You have gone too far.
If you dont like the members of this forum and their fight for the Macedonian cause then piss off and shove it up your effed up organisation thatr harbors and funds the likes of MPO and awards medals to heroes that will sell my Macedonian name.
Every time I soften and start believing your organisation is starting to do something for the Macedonian nation inclusive of the disapota YOU are th one that goes contra
fark off
you low life piece of scum for misquoting me and leave Australia out of it, because Australia never funded the bombing of my blood nor did they fund the likes of terrorists like the Israelis.
you yankee doodle danders are all the same[/QUOTE]
Julie, I really don't know what you are talking about, nor what set you off as I have not insulted you, Australia, or members of this forum... nor have I misquoted you in any way.

After reading this post, all I can say is that I can only believe this sums up the feelings of Australians here on the forum about American Macedonians. I don't know why there is such a hatred for Macedonians that reside in America (and no, don't excuse yourselves by saying that you only hate Macedonians that blindly support America, because I have never exhibited this on this forum and yet I have constantly been accused of it).

Though I despise the actions the Democrats of America have taken in regards to Macedonia, what I can say is that America has done more for Macedonia than Australia ever could hope to do, even though it has supported insurgents, supported name changes, and threatened Macedonia with bombings, America has still done more good for Macedonia than Australia... That is pathetic considering that the biggest concentration of Macedonians in the diaspora are in Australia.

Get your own community in order before you even think about preaching to others about their community kenguri

I am done with this America vs Australia bullcrap, and if this is the course we are going to pursue, then f#%& that. I am tired of being the so-called American Arse kisser, ESPECIALLY when I have done nothing of the sort... In this thread alone there have been over 10 anti-American Macedonian comments and all I can say is you should be ashamed of yourselves.

[QUOTE=Buktop;59493]Julie, I really don't know what you are talking about, nor what set you off as I have not insulted you, Australia, or members of this forum... nor have I misquoted you in any way.

After reading this post, all I can say is that I can only believe this sums up the feelings of Australians here on the forum about [B]American[/B] Macedonians. I don't know why there is such a hatred for Macedonians that reside in America (and no, don't excuse yourselves by saying that you only hate Macedonians that blindly support America, because I have never exhibited this on this forum and yet I have constantly been accused of it).


[I]i am not excusing myself, dont put words in my mouth. I have relatives there that are not arse kissers[/I]

Though I despise the actions the Democrats of America have taken in regards to Macedonia, what I can say is that [B]America has done more for Macedonia than Australia ever could hope to do, [/B]

yes so much. as by your following comment

even though [B][SIZE="3"]it has supported insurgents, supported name changes, and threatened Macedonia with bombings, America has still done more good for Macedonia than Australia... [/SIZE][/B]That is pathetic considering that the biggest concentration of Macedonians in the diaspora are in Australia.

[I]very pathetic[I][/[/I]I]



Get your own community in order before you even think about preaching to others about their community [B][SIZE="4"]kenguri[/SIZE][/B]

KENGURI, HA HA HA , OH SHIT YOU HURT MY FEELINGS, NOT am proud to be a kangaroo, mate, at least am not someone that supports the annihilation of innocent people for money like your country. My country is not a slut like yours

I am done with this America vs Australia bullcrap, and if this is the course we are going to pursue, then f#%& that. I am tired of being the so-called American Arse kisser, ESPECIALLY when I have done nothing of the sort... In this thread alone there have been over 10 anti-American Macedonian comments and all I can say is you should be ashamed of yourselves.[/QUOTE]


I have nothing to be ashamed of, unlike yourself [B][SIZE="6"]MY MACEDONIAN NAME IS NON NEGOTIABLE[/SIZE][/B]

get that through your thick skull. NON NEGOTIABLE. EVER.

[QUOTE=julie;59495]I have nothing to be ashamed of, unlike yourself [B][SIZE="6"]MY MACEDONIAN NAME IS NON NEGOTIABLE[/SIZE][/B]

get that through your thick skull. NON NEGOTIABLE. EVER.[/QUOTE]
Good for you, what good is your name when you have divided all the communities in the world? Are Australian Macedonians the only true patriots? Are American Macedonian's guilty of the crimes committed by America because they reside there? Do you speak American? :)

[B]you have divided all the communities in the world?[/B]

how? I have always called for unity

[B]Are Australian Macedonians the only true patriots[/B]

There are Macedonian patriots through the whole world

[B]Are American Macedonian's guilty of the crimes committed by America because they reside there? [/B]

Absolutely Not

[B]Do you speak American?[/B]

LMAO, cant stand the twang, its all the "Queens" english

Buktop,aside from (temporarily) naming Macedonia as Macedonia. The USA has done far worse to Macedonia than Australia. 2001 comes as a crowning moment for them in my opinion.

Buktop, for a guy who claims he doesn't know what the UMD board are debating you're never short of a possible explanation...

The minute somebody dares criticize UMD you're on here spin-doctoring your interpretation of the things that you allegedly have no idea of, that UMD are debating...between the alleged UMD debating and your interpetations of their allegedly unknown debating its clear that you and the UMD are master-debaters...

Buktop claims he has provided "counter-arguments"...well, he certainly has - 1001 reasons to remain a subservient vassal.

I've met some lapdogs in my life, but Buktop takes the taco. Whenever we talk about freedom, Buktop will come up with some ridiculous reason as to why freedom is not attainable and as to why we shouldn't even think about it...usually it has something to do with the price of bread...

...or tacos:)

Apparently Buktop is an economist, which reminds me of a good joke I heard and it goes a long way in explaining the way he is when it comes to interpreting UMD statements...

A mathematician, an accountant and an economist apply for the same job.

The interviewer calls in the mathematician and asks "What do two plus two equal?" The mathematician replies "Four." The interviewer asks "Four, exactly?" The mathematician looks at the interviewer incredulously and says "Yes, four, exactly."

Then the interviewer calls in the accountant and asks the same question "What do two plus two equal?" The accountant says "On average, four - give or take ten percent, but on average, four."

Then the interviewer calls in the economist and poses the same question "What do two plus two equal?"

The economist gets up, locks the door, closes the shade, sits down next to the interviewer and says "What do you want it to equal?"

ha ha ha ha ha, love it Phoenix, incidentally, I thought my mate Buktop was a lawyer seeing he has been so technically legal in his criticism.
Why is it anyone that is not a member of his organisation is criticised and belittled? A rhetorical question, moreso an observation.
Control freak are 2 words that come to mind

[QUOTE=julie;59516]ha ha ha ha ha, love it Phoenix, incidentally, I thought my mate Buktop was a lawyer seeing he has been so technically legal in his criticism.
Why is it anyone that is not a member of his organisation is criticised and belittled? A rhetorical question, moreso an observation.
Control freak are 2 words that come to mind[/QUOTE]

Jules, it depends on which thread you open up...sure there's the constitutional law expert, the economist, the football analyst, the PR machine, the military strategist and the taco thief...we're talking about a very worldly individual...but the real question is the size of Buktops world...a legend in his own lunchtime.

LMAO, well with credentials like that , surely he should be awarded a hero medal!!

[QUOTE=julie;59521]LMAO, well with credentials like that , surely he should be awarded a hero medal!![/QUOTE]

Jules, I'm sure UMD have got one of those as well...

He may even get a UMD award named after himself - UMD's Buktopian Hero Award.

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;59525]He may even get a UMD award named after himself - UMD's Buktopian Hero Award.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, its the one that Meto pins to the recipients arse...

Phoenix, you crack me up be batko

[QUOTE=Buktop;59480]...perhaps you haven't read Order of the President of the Court of 19 March 1996. Commission of the European Communities v Hellenic Republic. Removal from the register. Case C-120/94.
[url]http://eur-lex.europa.eu/smartapi/cgi/sga_doc?smartapi!celexplus!prod!CELEXnumdoc&lg=en&numdoc=61994O0120%2801%29[/url]

and
[url]http://www.jstor.org/pss/2204210[/url]

Whereas the examples you cited in Cameroon and Iran are completely different from the Macedonian situation, and can not be compared.


And to think that you claimed to have an intimate knowledge of law (or legal principle) when you don't even know what the hell the actual legal argument is... I have posted this case several times only to have it shrugged off by none other than yourself (as well as aleksandrov) The only one to actually respond to my posting of this case was Dzog, showing true legal prowess.

You on the other hand, have not shown the same professionalism, nor even comparable legal knowledge when it concerns international law and Macedonia...[/QUOTE]

Bucktop,

Please apply your true legal prowess to concisely explain why you have posted "this" case several times?

What is the ratio decidendi that you are trying to draw our attention to?

[QUOTE=Buktop;59493]
After reading this post, all I can say is that I can only believe this sums up the feelings of Australians here on the forum about American Macedonians. I don't know why there is such a hatred for Macedonians that reside in America (and no, don't excuse yourselves by saying that you only hate Macedonians that blindly support America, because I have never exhibited this on this forum and yet I have constantly been accused of it).

Though I despise the actions the Democrats of America have taken in regards to Macedonia, what I can say is that America has done more for Macedonia than Australia ever could hope to do, even though it has supported insurgents, supported name changes, and threatened Macedonia with bombings, America has still done more good for Macedonia than Australia... That is pathetic considering that the biggest concentration of Macedonians in the diaspora are in Australia. [/QUOTE]

Read some of the posts by "Piperka" on this forum. I like him .... and he is a Macedonian from USA.

Again, prove what USA has done for Macedonia and weigh it carefully against what it has done against Macedonia. Then feel free to compare it with Australia.

Buktop wrote:

[quote] What good is [B]your [/B]name when you have divided all the communities in the world? [/quote]

In reference to the name of our country !!

Is Buktop even a Macedonian? You have pissed me off now.
Its morons like yourself dividing our country and shitting all over our history, and shitting all over our sacrifices.

[quote=julie;59485]Buktop, pray tell, what strategies should RoM have in place?
And while you are there, have you double checked your sources with your organisation so that you are not misrepresenting them.

I did not realise you were a lawyer, so forgive my ignorance and stupidity, however, your lack of respect is quite offensive, and I do not need any academic qualification in US yamkee doodlelaw land to tell you that you should perhaps put yours to good use in wiping the verbal diarhea off of you

territorial disputes - for goodness sake. RoM is hardly in a position to RIGHTFULLY ANNEX AND RECLAIM egeysa, mala prespa and pirinska Makedonia

You are obviously one of those traitor types that did not have any loss of life in their bloodline which is why you are so dispassionate with us losing our heritage and name and bow down to the likes of organisations that dont give a shit

You continue to provoke and belittle Vangelovski and Indigen who are patriots to the Macedonian cause.
am not sure what your cause and fight is for . unless it is to create disharmony and disunity.

neznam od kade si, poteklo mozhe e ili srbski ili grchki oti Makedonetz vaka ne pravi kako shto pravish ti, se sitat dushmanite so nas shto chitat vaka, and dare I say this even UMD dont bow down to your level[/quote]

Julie,

Buktop's not a lawyer, he only dabbles in it during his spare time. He has claimed he is an economist, but I seriously have to question any tertiary training he may have had.

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;59525]He may even get a UMD award named after himself - UMD's Buktopian Hero Award.[/QUOTE]

With the great friend of UMD ALi Ahmeti presenting the prestigeous trophy to Buktop, while US ambassador Reeker, the "great friend of macedonia" clapping and and high fiving Meto in the crowd of other yanky doodle ass kissers

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;59484]Buktop,

I never claimed to have an "intimate knowledge of law" - you assumed that yourself, perhaps as a result of reading my posts :)

You are a subservient VASSAL and each and every one of your posts attests to that.

The fact that you legitimise Greece's "concerns" as being a factor in limiting Macedonia from naming itself or informing the UN of its state name is a further testament to your subservience.

Freedom has no place in you, nor do you have a place in a free society. I'm not surprised people like Putin and Tito are your heroes.[/QUOTE]

Once again, more name calling, no substance...

I have never legitimated Greece's "concerns" it should be very obvious to you that other countries are legitimating them. Something you should be more concerned about...

[QUOTE=julie;59485]Buktop, pray tell, what strategies should RoM have in place?
And while you are there, have you double checked your sources with your organisation so that you are not misrepresenting them.[/quote] I have given you dozens of strategies, most of which have been ignored.

[quote]I did not realise you were a lawyer, so forgive my ignorance and stupidity, however, your lack of respect is quite offensive, and I do not need any academic qualification in US yamkee doodlelaw land to tell you that you should perhaps put yours to good use in wiping the verbal diarhea off of you[/quote] I am not a lawyer, but I am not a simpleton, so why don't you tell me what you think about the case I posted, that happens to deal with International/European law which affect Macedonia.

My lack of respect for what? Countless name calling, profanity and obscenities directed towards me? If you want respect, start showing me some...

[quote]territorial disputes - for goodness sake. RoM is hardly in a position to RIGHTFULLY ANNEX AND RECLAIM egeysa, mala prespa and pirinska Makedonia[/quote] That is obvious, but perhaps you should read the case and try to understand it.

[quote]You are obviously one of those traitor types that did not have any loss of life in their bloodline which is why you are so dispassionate with us losing our heritage and name and bow down to the likes of organisations that dont give a shit[/quote] Now this comment is extremely out of line and you should be ashamed at yourself for even saying this, who are you to say that my family hasn't sacrificed anything for Macedonia? Who are you to judge my passion for Macedonia, you don't know shit about me or my family, don't involve my family again because that is a subject I will not tolerate!

[quote]You continue to provoke and belittle Vangelovski and Indigen who are patriots to the Macedonian cause.
am not sure what your cause and fight is for . unless it is to create disharmony and disunity.[/quote] Oh please, go have a look through the posts of our arguments and you will see who is belittling who.

[quote]neznam od kade si, poteklo mozhe e ili srbski ili grchki oti Makedonetz vaka ne pravi kako shto pravish ti, se sitat dushmanite so nas shto chitat vaka, and dare I say this even UMD dont bow down to your level[/QUOTE] As I have said countless times, my family are from Struga, we are pure Macedonians, not Greeks, not Serbs, not Bulgars... If you even understood half of the issues that face Macedonia currently, you wouldn't be so arrogant...

[QUOTE=aleksandrov;59542]Bucktop,

Please apply your true legal prowess to concisely explain why you have posted "this" case several times?

What is the ratio decidendi that you are trying to draw our attention to?[/QUOTE]I originally posted it on Maknews to get your opinion on it, knowing that you are a person who particularly focus' on legal issues, you never gave me your opinion.

I have never claimed to be a legal expert, nor have I claimed that I have practiced law, I am posting this case as an observer, and an enthusiast.

This case decided that Greece would not be responsible for paying the costs incurred by Macedonia and that actions taken by Greece were justified, as well as the invoking of interim measures.

My view of this case is that it gives legality to actions taken by Greece against Macedonia, and that Greece is not responsible for costs incurred by Macedonia as a result of those actions. This says to me that if a similar situation occurs in the future, that we may see similar measures taken by Greece. Though we know in reality, this is not the case, and completely against the principles of sovereignty and human rights.

I am genuinely interested in your opinion, and I am also interested if you know of any other articles or precedents that may bare weight on the illegality of actions taken by Greece, I have been trying to do some research, but again, I am no expert.

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;59505]Buktop,aside from (temporarily) naming Macedonia as Macedonia. The USA has done far worse to Macedonia than Australia. 2001 comes as a crowning moment for them in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

What I said was, despite the harm the US has done, they have done far more good than Australia has.

[QUOTE=Phoenix;59508]Buktop, for a guy who claims he doesn't know what the UMD board are debating you're never short of a possible explanation...

The minute somebody dares criticize UMD you're on here spin-doctoring your interpretation of the things that you allegedly have no idea of, that UMD are debating...between the alleged UMD debating and your interpetations of their allegedly unknown debating its clear that you and the UMD are master-debaters...[/QUOTE]Well seeing as you all want to offer your opinions and possible reasoning for why UMD decides to fart by raising it's left cheak, or pick it's nose with it's right hand, I figured it wouldn't hurt to give my opinion as well...

[QUOTE=Phoenix;59513]Apparently Buktop is an economist, which reminds me of a good joke I heard and it goes a long way in explaining the way he is when it comes to interpreting UMD statements...

A mathematician, an accountant and an economist apply for the same job.

The interviewer calls in the mathematician and asks "What do two plus two equal?" The mathematician replies "Four." The interviewer asks "Four, exactly?" The mathematician looks at the interviewer incredulously and says "Yes, four, exactly."

Then the interviewer calls in the accountant and asks the same question "What do two plus two equal?" The accountant says "On average, four - give or take ten percent, but on average, four."

Then the interviewer calls in the economist and poses the same question "What do two plus two equal?"

The economist gets up, locks the door, closes the shade, sits down next to the interviewer and says "What do you want it to equal?"[/QUOTE]

Despite our many differences, I couldn't help but laugh at this :lol: