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Daniel the Great 02-23-2010 11:24 AM

Nimetz no proposal just ideas.
 
I donít bring new proposal, but I have smart ideas which will move name talks forward.
I wonder what ideas Nimetz is talking about.

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Prolet 02-23-2010 11:57 AM

Daniel The Great,

Martin Protoger is saying they wont change the name.

ПРОТОЃЕР:

ВМРО-ДПМНЕ нема да прифати промена на името!

Со каков став ќе го пречекаме Нимиц на 23 февруари?

- Високо ги цениме напорите на медијаторот Нимиц и го поддржуваме процесот во ООН за спорот што го наметна Грција. Нашиот став околу името е објавен многупати досега. Тој е принципиелен и не зависи од какви било притисоци или обиди за влијание, туку е дел од една државна стратегија, согласно со националните интереси. Нашите основи се споменати и во програмата Преродба во 100 чекори - надградена и проширена, каде што недвосмислено стои - ВМРО-ДПМНЕ нема да прифати промена на Уставот со цел промена на уставното име, нема да прифатиме идеи и предлози што ќе го нарушат македонскиот национален идентитет, македонската нација и јазик! Нема да дозволиме какво било решение да прифатат поединци политичари, владата или парламентот, без претходно да се изјаснат за тоа граѓаните на референдум и мнозинството граѓани да се согласи со тоа решение. Македонија води конзистентна политика во однос на спорот за името и постои одлична координација меѓу премиерот, претседателот и министерот за надворешни работи. Прашањето на името, за разлика од минатото кога за тоа решавале веројатно повеќе интуитивно, сега е прашање на систем и сериозна стратегија. (Од интервјуто во Утрински весник)

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Vangelovski 02-23-2010 06:01 PM

Prolet,

This is just vauge DPMNE spin - that they won't change the constitution with the aim of changing the constitutional name. What does that actually mean? One of Nimitz's previous proposals has been to change the name for international use and keep the "constitutional name" for domestic use. That fulfills DPMNE's election promise and change's Macedonia's name.

Soldier of Macedon 02-23-2010 06:25 PM

Isn't DPMNE's aim for some sort of bilateral solution with Greece? Once upon a time, this was looking like an idea that may be suitable, but it has become more than obvious that even this would be cheating ourselves.

Will Macedonia become a 'pariah' state if we pulled out of the negotiations? Will people stop trading with us? Will everybody just drop their alliances, support, and agreements with us at the drop of a hat? Will Macedonia starve? No, no, no, and no.

Bratot 02-23-2010 06:49 PM

Mi se prisra od predlozive i ideive neka se gonat veke zavek.

Prolet 02-23-2010 10:15 PM

Vangelovski, We are pushing the double formula here, one name for Greece and another for Macedonia and the rest of the world. We have 127 countries that recognize us, Gjorgje Ivanov clearly stated that so why should we throw all that away?

SOM, Why say DPMNE for?? This is how SDSM and Ljube's banda call VMRO, I thought you were a VMRO Supporter?

Pelister 02-23-2010 11:34 PM

These New Greeks are liars and thieves.

It would benefit everyone in Macedonia, and in Europe to call a spade a spade.

That kind of honesty is worth gold for us, from a political point of view, because nearly everyone knows who these New Greeks really are, nearly everyone thinks it from time to time, but very few actually say it.

Risto the Great 02-24-2010 09:58 PM

Is there a better time to withdraw from the negotiations?
 
Aside from at the beginning, I simply cannot see a better time to withdraw from the silly name negotiations. Will the EU look favourably at Greece's petulant moans about some name they recently embraced? Especially after the petulant Greeks started calling the Germans Nazi thieves. It is a golden opportunity to tell it like it is and for real leaders to stand up in Macedonia. Let Greece worry about its economy, Macedonia should worry about its identity for a moment.

Vangelovski 02-24-2010 10:02 PM

RtG,

I think anytime is a good time. Now would be great and for no other reason than we Macedonians alone shall determine the name of our state.

Soldier of Macedon 02-25-2010 12:26 AM

We never should have been in them, but, if there was ever a time (late though it may be), then now is perfect, no reason to wait any longer. Greece is weak, Europe can't keep up with its corruption, the Americans are pre-occupied with their own issues, Gruevski and Ivanov need to make their stance now, because an opportunity like this will not present itself again.

Macedonia must pull out of all negotiations concerning our national identity, and end this shame and disgrace that has crippled our community for the last 2 decades.


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