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George S. 11-04-2015 07:42 AM

In any memberships offers we should not sell ourselves short eg our name or any other thing to do with our identity.Greece is waiting for Macedonia to give in Greece will gain not lose our identity.Its probably not a good isea to join unless we are accepted for who we are.Greece is the one that must learn to live with its neighbours.We know how it acquired their part of our Macedonia.
So its imperative not to fuel the name debate by fuelling the fire by discussing it.Its very simple you don't discuss a change to our existing identity.Why just to please our neighbour bully.We need to assert ourselves more we will not be cornered to alter our name because it is our name.

Stevce 04-24-2016 07:40 PM

Macedonian would gain no benefit from joining the EU or Nato. They already gave up the 16 ray symbol which the Greeks knew nothing about before 1978. Macedonians should continue to improve the economy and living standards and not even bother to negotiate on the name. As Greece continues to decline the various ethnic compositions which make up modern Greece will start to revolt and break up the country anyway. Macedonia just needs to be patient and watch it happen.

Soldier of Macedon 06-05-2017 05:28 PM

[url]http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/macedonia-s-new-fm-set-to-visit-neighbouring-greece-06-04-2017[/url]
[QUOTE][B]New Macedonia FM to Visit Greece[/B]

05 Jun 17

New Macedonian Foreign Minister Nikola Dimitrov will soon travel to Greece, to develop bilateral relations with its southern neighbor, and in hopes of opening the country's currently blocked Euro-Atlantic path. Dimitrov, who is part of the new Macedonian government elected last Wednesday, will travel to Greece by invitation of his Greek counterpart, Nikos Kotzias. The exact time of the visit has not yet been revealed. “Diplomacy's work is to build bridges, create friendships and opens doors and perspectives” Dimitrov told local media, revealing his intention to accept Greece’s recent invitation to visit. “Bearing in mind that the biggest challenge for our Euro-Atlantic integration is relations with Greece, [B]I would like to reveal the new face of the Republic of Macedonia[/B] primrily in Greece. I am convinced that Greece also has interests in the European Republic of Macedonia,” Dimitrov said. Kotzias has said on several occasions that he would seek to intensify cooperation with Macedonia after it put an end to its prolonged internal political crisis which has been ongoing for several years. Former opposition leader Zoran Zaev has finally been given the mandate fo form a government after months of political uncertainty since a subsequent election last December. “[B]I have had several conversations with Mr. Zaev and I will invite my counterpart Dimitrov to Athens so that we can find ways for intensifying of cooperation and solving of all long-standing problems ... in the spirit of democratic consensus” Kotzias said[/B] immediately after the election of the new Macedonian government. Greece claims that use of the word Macedonia implies a territorial claim to the northern Greek province of the same name. Athens has blocked Skopje's attempts to join NATO and the EU over the unresolved issue.

In 2008, Macedonia narrowly missed the chance to enter NATO solely due to the long-standing dispute with Greece. As a result, Macedonia received a conditional invitation under which NATO was obliged to invite the country to join after it solved the dispute with its neighbour. However, no further progress has since been made and bilateral relations only soured further as [B]Athens kept accusing the former Macedonian government led by Nikola Gruevski of provocations[/B]. Deputy Assistant Secretary for European and Eurasian Affairs at the US State Department, Hoyt Brian Yee, welcomed the fresh positive signals coming from both sides. He said that he hopes the new Macedonian government would work "to resolve issues with neighbors, including Greece." “I was very glad to see Foreign Minister Kotziasis from Greece extend a hand of friendship to his counterparts in Macedonia, expressing his willingness to talk, to meet his counterparts in Macedonia in order to move forward in the relationships between those two countries, which eventually, we hope, will lead to agreements that would unblock the path of Macedonia to Euro-Atlantic integration." The announced visit comes at a time when some Macedonian political observers believe that the new government could use increased US and EU interest in the Western Balkans to get an invitation to join NATO sooner rather than later – a path that would invariably lead to improving relations with Greece. The reason for the increased Western interest in the region, observers said, is Russia's growing clout in the Western Balkans.[/QUOTE]
So these clowns will now be revealing a new Macedonian face to Greece, where their foreign minister has already had several conversations with Zaev and co. Great. Not sure what actual provocations by Gruevski they're talking about. Anyway, Greece has been waiting for this moment. They know that Zaev and co. are more willing to readily compromise just to get into the EU and NATO. In an effort to prove themselves as movers and shakers and different from the previous government, Zaev and co. may go even further than the usual treachery we've come to expect from Macedonian politicians. None of this can be good news.

Risto the Great 06-05-2017 06:19 PM

It won't be a new face. It will be the FYROM face again.

Phoenix 06-05-2017 11:57 PM

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;169494]...So these clowns will now be revealing a new Macedonian face to Greece, where their foreign minister has already had several conversations with Zaev and co. Great. Not sure what actual provocations by Gruevski they're talking about. [COLOR="Red"][I][B]Anyway, Greece has been waiting for this moment. They know that Zaev and co. are more willing to readily compromise just to get into the EU and NATO.[/B][/I][/COLOR] In an effort to prove themselves as movers and shakers and different from the previous government, Zaev and co. may go even further than the usual treachery we've come to expect from Macedonian politicians. None of this can be good news.[/QUOTE]

I agree...

Interesting that one of Dimitrov's first FM gigs since being given the keys to foreign policy is a visit to the land of plate-smashing in the south.
I too wonder whether our friends in the south view ZZ and the shiptar mafia as a more malleable alternative.

Vangelovski 06-06-2017 04:36 AM

We might get some new statues as well, like Slav on Horse and Tito's little UDBa.

Phoenix 06-06-2017 06:01 AM

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;169504]We might get some new statues as well, like Slav on Horse...[/QUOTE]

My concern is that the name "Slav on Horse" may not be abstract enough, there's still too much leeway to join the dots...

I can see them going for something like "6th Century AD Migrant in Fancy Dress on Rearing Donkey"...

Soldier of Macedon 06-06-2017 06:34 AM

I think it would be safe to assume that these idiots consider some of the statues, the name of the airport, highway and sports arena as "provocations". Do you think Zaev would go so far as to have these removed / renamed to appease them? Perhaps as a first step before the name of the country?

Stevce 06-06-2017 07:09 AM

Soilder of Macedon, I think that is exactly what Zaev will do. Key word here is resolve issues with neighbours including Greece. Changing the name is only the start of the plan to finish the genocide of Macedonia which was started over 100 years ago. Wait until Bulgaria and Albania get what they want also from Macedonia. The world will applaud the genocide of our people.

Amphipolis 06-06-2017 07:37 AM

I wouldn't expect any impressive progress. I remind you that SDSM has governed for many years in the past.

Entry in NATO under the FYROM name is a complicated matter with pros and cons. It’s certain that you will be bounded with some additional agreement and it will practically establish FYROM as an eternal temporary name of use.

I can’t say if that’s good or bad but it’s basically the compromise that both sides have made all those years but do not admit to.

European Union doors will be closed for ANY new members in the visible future (10-15 next years).


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