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Gocka 08-09-2018 09:48 AM

Of course you would want and expect 99% of ethnic Macedonians to be against this but that's unrealistic. I don't know if I've ever seen a social/political issue anywhere in the world that had 99% consensus, otherwise it wouldn't be an issue at all. The simple fact that SDS came to power and that this has gotten this far is proof enough that at least some portion of Macedonians are for it, how many remains to be seen but honestly if only 25% of ethnic Macedonians voted for it, I'd be proud. I would have thought much worse.

[QUOTE=Big Bad Sven;175665]But thats the thing, only 1% of ethnic macedonians should vote for the name change (the politicians) the rest should vote no to change the name. Its not a hard mathematical equation for the people in macedonia

I get 25% of the shiptar population will vote yes, but macedonians are still the majority.

I guess all will be revealed soon, pretty much the last roll of the dice for macedonia[/QUOTE]


The surveys are garbage but regardless we can't be naive. This is why the Albanians were always such a dangerous factor for Macedonia. Up until now they have always focused on their own interests, but for once there is an issue that their interests overlap those of at least a portion of Macedonians. For non Macedonians this is an easy choice, and at 25 to 35% of the country (counting other minorities and torbeshi) You are already in a deep hole. With enough manipulation they can get a victory even if only 10% of Macedonians vote for it. Don't forget Macedonia has 1.8 million voters, even though its debatable if the country even has 1.5 million people in it.

[QUOTE=Phoenix;175670]I agree that you can't trust that survey...I doubt that there would even be a scientific approach to any poll taken in Macedonia...everything seems to be a fabrication to suit whoever is in power.
Macedonia is a totally corrupt country, nothing is done according to transparency, rules, laws or values...[/QUOTE]

Pelagonija 08-09-2018 05:07 PM

Official voting register released..

[url]https://kanal5.com.mk/articles/344351/vo-izbirachkiot-spisok-zapishani-se-1-805-700-glasachi[/url]

903 000 is the magic number required for the vote to succeed.

Id like to think, Full boycott will void the referendum. Partial boycott will be a disaster.

Cant believe how retarded they are, weve had the same amount voters for the last 20 years, to add to this SDS were screaming blue murder when in opposition regarding the voter list..

I would not put the total amount of people living in fyrom more that 1.7 to 1.8 Million.. this is statistically impossible but may work in our favour.

Tomche Makedonche 08-13-2018 12:30 AM

Looks like some Greeks are pushing for a referendum as well

[QUOTE][url]https://euobserver.com/tickers/142554[/url]

[B]Macedonia name deal threatens Greek government[/B]

Greek defence minister Panos Kammenos threatened on Wednesday to pull his nationalist Independent Greeks (ANEL) party from the government if a name deal with the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) is put to a vote in the parliament, rather than a referendum. "I will not allow this deal to go through," he told the Greek internet radio. Greek MPs are set to vote on the deal in September.[/QUOTE]

Carlin 08-13-2018 11:36 PM

URL:
[url]https://emagazin.mk/%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81-%D0%B7%D0%B0-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%84%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82-%D0%B7/[/url]

[url]https://time.mk/c/3cf3f1a439/anketa-na-ipis-za-na-referendumot-za-imeto-ke-glasat-32-4-makedonci-a-80-9-albanci.html[/url]

[COLOR="Blue"][B]Анкета на ИПИС: „За“ на референдумот за името ќе гласат 32,4% Македонци, а 80,9% Албанци[/B][/COLOR]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/st08aES.jpg[/img]

Gocka 08-14-2018 10:29 AM

Exactly in line with my predictions. That brings them right near the 50% threshold. Thrown in the fact that we will have a partial boycott and they win clean and clear. They may not even have to manipulate the results. This is a disaster.

[QUOTE=Carlin15;175729]URL:
[url]https://emagazin.mk/%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81-%D0%B7%D0%B0-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%84%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82-%D0%B7/[/url]

[url]https://time.mk/c/3cf3f1a439/anketa-na-ipis-za-na-referendumot-za-imeto-ke-glasat-32-4-makedonci-a-80-9-albanci.html[/url]

[COLOR="Blue"][B]Анкета на ИПИС: За на референдумот за името ќе гласат 32,4% Македонци, а 80,9% Албанци[/B][/COLOR]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/st08aES.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

vicsinad 08-14-2018 10:40 AM

And don't discount voter intimidation and the buying of votes on the part of Zaev's regime. This will probably be employed to ensure that they are over the 50% threshold.

Zaev will shoot for a 53% turnout. Enough to account for bojkotiram and regular apathetic voters, and enough to show that they can't be accused of fudging the numbers.

Gocka 08-14-2018 11:52 PM

As we discussed earlier its probably not necessary. With Albanians and other minorities, the hardcore SDS followers, and the silent 10% to 20% of others who are too ashamed to publicly admit their support, they have enough votes to make this work. Add in a partial boycott and we will be caught with our pants down trying to explain how we got a 55% turnout and a 75% yes result.

[QUOTE=vicsinad;175748]And don't discount voter intimidation and the buying of votes on the part of Zaev's regime. This will probably be employed to ensure that they are over the 50% threshold.

Zaev will shoot for a 53% turnout. Enough to account for bojkotiram and regular apathetic voters, and enough to show that they can't be accused of fudging the numbers.[/QUOTE]

Dove 08-15-2018 05:25 PM

A picture is being painted for the Macedonian public that the Diaspora is behind Zaev's agreement. There was a news report (TV - I think about FDM). FDM is for the Referendum. Here is their statement of 14 August: [url]https://www.balkaninsider.com/forum-for-democratic-macedonia-outlines-position-on-referendum/[/url]. Then there was this report about a meeting with an international group of diaspora representatives on 15 August [url]http://english.republika.mk/pm-zaev-calls-on-macedonian-expats-to-vote-in-name-referendum/[/url]. Just a poorly researched thought.

Risto the Great 08-15-2018 08:24 PM

Thank you Dove.
And welcome.

... And I doubt anybody from anywhere in the Diaspora would support this treason.

Risto the Great 08-15-2018 08:27 PM

Sneaky bastards don't even want us to copy the text .... source document edited to provide this:

[QUOTE]Prime Minister Zoran Zaev met Wednesday with representatives of the Macedonian diaspora in Italy, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Germany, Slovenia, Croatia and the United States.

In the meeting, support was extended for the government policies bringing Macedonia closer to NATO and EU membership, the governments press service said.

The interlocutors discussed several current issues, including the importance of the upcoming name referendum and the need for a more active role of all citizens, including expats, in order the referendum to be successful because it opens Macedonia's perspectives and chances of better living standards of all citizens.

For Macedonia, Zaev said, NATO and the EU amounts to better economy, stability and security. He noted that he expected the referendum to be successful.

Majority of citizens in Macedonia have already said that they champion changes, perspectives instead of isolation, well-being instead of poverty, reforms and democracy that lead to quality living standards and safe future of the country of present and future generations. I am confident that the referendum will verify the decision for a Euro-Atlantic future of Macedonia, which will introduce also a European life in Macedonia and stability and security, stated PM Zaev.

He urged them to vote in the upcoming referendum and being representatives of the Macedonian diaspora to play an important role in this historic moment of the progress of Macedonia.

Zaev and the expats discussed the benefits from reform processes in the country, from establishing favorable relations with the neighbors and from the Euro-Atlantic integration process.

True patriots are those that will secure the future of the country. It is an achievement for our children, for present generations. It is a fulfillment of the centuries-long aspiration of our predecessors to solidify the identity of the citizens in Macedonia, the Macedonian language and the establishment of Macedonia as a state in the global family of states once and for all,” stressed PM Zaev.

He thanked the expats for their willingness to help the country fulfill its strategic goals, NATO and EU accession, and achieve economic prosperity.

Furthermore, the sincere policies of the government towards the diaspora were welcomed, designed to create conditions for investing in their homeland, stated the press release.[/QUOTE]


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